If vaccines are so great and you got your kid vaccinated, why are you so concerned that other peoples kids get shots? I mean vaccines are protecting your kid, right? Right??right???
Vaccines only work through herd immunity. A vaccine allows your body to retain memory of how to fight the particular virus should you come in contact with it. However a small percent of people will not benefit from a vaccine and could become a carrier for an outbreak. Vaccines give your body a better chance of fighting the virus, but the virus can still get a foothold if you have enough exposure.
So because a) Vaccines are not a 100% cure and have never made a claim to be and b) Vaccines dont work on some people and those people depend on herd immunity... It is important that everyone gets the vaccine. Vaccines only work by mass immunity.
You can believe vaccines don't work, even though there is overwhelming proof that they do.
You cant say i got the shot so who cares if others don't. That is not how the technology works. Vaccines work by preventing a foothold in the masses.
You can believe vaccines don't work, even though there is overwhelming proof that they do.
You are using the word vaccines as though they are all the same. The safety of modern vaccines should be measured independently from the safety of the polio vaccine for instance.
Also you're not accounting for a cumulative effect. Some of the things in vaccines could be harmful in higher dosages. With the increase in the total number of vaccines being given to any one person this cumulative effect may be a more serious issue than it once was.
Right because those added points while valid dont have anything to do with the original questions context.
I was simply providing an answer as to why there is a need for everyone to be vaccinated for a vaccine to be effective. Side effects good or bad dont negate that vaccines require 90% plus of the population to actually work.
Isn't that a lottery though? We choose to save people who can't be vaccinated, and we choose to kill/harm people who can't survive the side effects of a vaccine. How many there are of each is the question here. Since humankind survived without vaccines for hundreds of thousands of years, my money is on not vaccinating.
Vaccine doesn't just happen to you while your walking on the street. Even if it is successful, it will create humans that need the vaccine more and more. At some point, life will not be possible without vaccine. Not today, not tomorrow, but any time is too soon.
The history of medicine is full of quack. The selling of snake oil abounds. They just started really helping people in the last maybe 3-400 years. Still, even today, doctors prescribe unnecessary, even dangerous drugs for daily use. People pay the big money when they're sick, not when they're healthy.
Even IF it works short term for some people, it doesn't mean we should do it. Since we have freedoms, you do what you think best, and let me do what I think best.
You're arguing a point that im not making. I never advocated for forcing vaccinations. I never said vaccines do what they say they do. I only answered the question of why people want everyone to get vaccinated and the theory behind it.
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voatHatesTheFirst ago
Never gotten a satisfactory answer to this.
If vaccines are so great and you got your kid vaccinated, why are you so concerned that other peoples kids get shots? I mean vaccines are protecting your kid, right? Right?? right???
Not relevant to this OP, but still.
Oltima ago
Vaccines only work through herd immunity. A vaccine allows your body to retain memory of how to fight the particular virus should you come in contact with it. However a small percent of people will not benefit from a vaccine and could become a carrier for an outbreak. Vaccines give your body a better chance of fighting the virus, but the virus can still get a foothold if you have enough exposure.
So because a) Vaccines are not a 100% cure and have never made a claim to be and b) Vaccines dont work on some people and those people depend on herd immunity... It is important that everyone gets the vaccine. Vaccines only work by mass immunity.
You can believe vaccines don't work, even though there is overwhelming proof that they do.
You cant say i got the shot so who cares if others don't. That is not how the technology works. Vaccines work by preventing a foothold in the masses.
elcob32 ago
You are using the word vaccines as though they are all the same. The safety of modern vaccines should be measured independently from the safety of the polio vaccine for instance.
Also you're not accounting for a cumulative effect. Some of the things in vaccines could be harmful in higher dosages. With the increase in the total number of vaccines being given to any one person this cumulative effect may be a more serious issue than it once was.
Oltima ago
Right because those added points while valid dont have anything to do with the original questions context.
I was simply providing an answer as to why there is a need for everyone to be vaccinated for a vaccine to be effective. Side effects good or bad dont negate that vaccines require 90% plus of the population to actually work.
redolas ago
Isn't that a lottery though? We choose to save people who can't be vaccinated, and we choose to kill/harm people who can't survive the side effects of a vaccine. How many there are of each is the question here. Since humankind survived without vaccines for hundreds of thousands of years, my money is on not vaccinating.
Vaccine doesn't just happen to you while your walking on the street. Even if it is successful, it will create humans that need the vaccine more and more. At some point, life will not be possible without vaccine. Not today, not tomorrow, but any time is too soon.
The history of medicine is full of quack. The selling of snake oil abounds. They just started really helping people in the last maybe 3-400 years. Still, even today, doctors prescribe unnecessary, even dangerous drugs for daily use. People pay the big money when they're sick, not when they're healthy.
Even IF it works short term for some people, it doesn't mean we should do it. Since we have freedoms, you do what you think best, and let me do what I think best.
Oltima ago
You're arguing a point that im not making. I never advocated for forcing vaccinations. I never said vaccines do what they say they do. I only answered the question of why people want everyone to get vaccinated and the theory behind it.
redolas ago
Cool. Then, I'm not arguing with you, I'm just adding my opinion why the vaccination theory is flawed.