Tone of Voat reflects the actual mood of the West. (Conspiracy)

submitted ago by ardvarcus

I was just thinking as I read successive posts in Voat how much the overall tone of this site differs from that of Reddit. The vast majority of posts here could be catagorized as right wing or nationalist or conservative. Yet this is an open forum, a genuinely open forum unlike Reddit. What does that tell us? It tells us that public opinion is overwhelmingly conservative, and that Reddit's presentation of public opinion is strongly and artificially skewed to the left.

I see the same nationalist, conservative opinions in the comments sections of Web sites when those comment sections are not censored. When people are free to express themselves, the majority of them express conservative views, not liberal views. The liberal fascists control the media, but they can't control public opinion, they can only distort and mask it.

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HarlandKornfeld14 ago

The liberal fascists

Whoa bruh, you were so close. Stop calling 'liberals' fascists.

cstrafe ago

Why? They're certainly behaving that way: attempt to shut down free speech, react violently against people with differing opinions...

HarlandKornfeld14 ago

attempt to shut down free speech, react violently against people with differing opinions...

That's Bolshevism. Call a spade a spade.

Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago

Yup, fascist governments through out history have loved free speech, and their secret police forces have been very open to differing opinions.

fr33europe ago

and they would have thrown fags like you into the slammer for being degenerate

Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago

What's the point of this attack? Are you saying we should refuse to acknowledge basic facts about fascism through history? How deluded would you have to be to think fascist governments loved free speech?

I have no problem with people who are against degeneracy and don't want it in their community, but don't act like that's compatible with free speech. Maybe we don't need free speech in a strong community, but I wouldn't trust any national government to regulate speech in such a way (since trying to apply one policy to tens of millions people tends to corrode freedom and degrade culture).

fr33europe ago

The point of the attack is that you need to understand that there is NO SUCH THING as free speech. So to attack fascists for being 'against free speech' you make the false assumption that people who are not fascists, somehow are allowing it. Every single society of any worth has rules on what you can or can't say.

Fascists look at it from the perspective of actions or words being good for the group/family (viewing your society as a family) So for example if you're printing porn, that's not allowed. Are you a faggot? Well better keep quiet or they're coming for you too.

I don't claim to know what our current system is trying to uphold, the financial system I guess... But in any case if we had free speech there wouldn't be 'hate speech' or slander, or whatever else can get you in trouble.

Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago

Then you agree with my statement that fascist governments are not for free speech, and disagree with the person who said that fascist governments are for free speech. Yet you attacked me.

fr33europe ago

No, I would agree with the statement that ALL governments are against free speech. To single out fascism is being deceitful.

Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago

Would you agree citizens had more free speech in America than in the Soviet Union in the 20s-80s?

Free speech isn't everything or nothing. I don't think slander - people intentionally telling lies aout you to damage you - being illegal shows there's no difference between having some free speech or none. We can still generally have free speech even with slander laws.

fr33europe ago

I think it's the same thing from a different angle. If you were a communist in the US, you had to watch out for Mccarthy, if you were speaking out against the party in the USSR you'd be in trouble too.

Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago

If you were a communist in the US, you had to watch out for Mccarthy

But McCarthy mainly targeted people with some level of power, and he couldn't put them in a gulag, he could just make them look bad and maybe lose them their job. This was also happening during particularly heated part of the cold war, and was targeted at the enemy in that war. Soviets would send anyone they liked to a gulag or simply put them to death after a show trial. The two are not meaningfully comparable.

Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago

That's your big example? Censorship in one city that's being legally challenged concerning a public hearing on building a mosque? Doesn't that prove my point?