I was just thinking as I read successive posts in Voat how much the overall tone of this site differs from that of Reddit. The vast majority of posts here could be catagorized as right wing or nationalist or conservative. Yet this is an open forum, a genuinely open forum unlike Reddit. What does that tell us? It tells us that public opinion is overwhelmingly conservative, and that Reddit's presentation of public opinion is strongly and artificially skewed to the left.
I see the same nationalist, conservative opinions in the comments sections of Web sites when those comment sections are not censored. When people are free to express themselves, the majority of them express conservative views, not liberal views. The liberal fascists control the media, but they can't control public opinion, they can only distort and mask it.
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HarlandKornfeld14 ago
Whoa bruh, you were so close. Stop calling 'liberals' fascists.
10016380? ago
Ok, let's call them authoritarians then. Because that is how they are behaving these days. Trying to control speech. Trying to control language. Ultimately these are attempts at reward/punishment of self and other; a type of social manipulation whose aim is to control the spectrum and flavor of discourse in America. That is called authoritarianism.
Fascism is really corporatism, so at first glance you would be right that the left isn't necessarily fascist, though they share the same qualities of high-authoritarianism. Fascism is where an oligarchy--a collusion of corporations--act as gentry to a despot and then become the sounding board and the voice of the despot. Thus, fascism is more akin to monarchism, a strict class division between the 99 and 1%, a classism of privileged aristocrats and the underclass
But the reason people say the left is now fascist is because they are siding with corporations, which obviously are tethered to a corrupt deepstate shadowgovernment. Case in point is amazon, a virtual monopoly on retail marketplaces; and the healthcare system--an oligarchy of public/private hospital systems, practitioners, insurance and pharma industries that have managed to lobby themselves into legalizing and legitimizing racketeering...this is called totalitarianism...health industry totalitarianism
and just last week the congress rejected single payer because they knew corporations would have to pay their fair share (wasn't that bernie sanders' catchphrase? Well he voted against it too--hypocrite!)
In essence, this means (among many other examples) that the left supports the establishment corporatism in america--the deepstate oligarchy
That's why they are fascist
10024866? ago
Its always been like that. The only question is how many of us are they going to kill this time.
White-Supremacist ago
I think what you are thinking of are those who have been indoctrinated by cultural marxist post modernism.
https://youtu.be/wLoG9zBvvLQYouTube
Cultural marxist post modernism (CAMPM). CAMPM makes it impossible to have logical factual discussions with it's subscribers. Their obsessive focus is oppressor versus the oppressed. "DESTROY THE PATRIARCHY!" This is to say, death to white males, white people, or any and especially white people with so much as a penny in their pockets. End goal, complete white genocide, install communist dictatorship.
I like a lot of what you are describing though and I suspect I agree.
vivalad ago
good seeing you here, 911. good points as always. here's to keeping your sub (one of the few that isn't astroturfed w/bs) under the radar. might want to change your voat bio.
HarlandKornfeld14 ago
Indeed, I used to hold many of the similar views to justify why the Left is fascist. But I have realized that I confused corporatism with corpocracy (rule by business interests).
The actual purpose of corporatism is for the government to serve as an honest intermediary between business interests and the working class, not as a bludgeon for business interests to use against the working class.
Furthermore, Fascism in nationalist, whereas the Left is internationalist and in favor of open borders. The Fascist believes in nationalism which is of course opposed to internationalism. Fascism also advocates national self-sufficiency (autarky), which is opposed to globalization.
ardvarcus ago
You're missing the big picture. The internationalism of today's liberal fascists is the equivalent of the nationalism of yesterday's fascists. It's the same mindset. Yesterday's fascist used nationalism as a tool to arouse the population to violence; today's liberal fascist uses globalism as a tool to arouse the population to violence.