I figured this could be a big Mandela effect for people. I never even saw the movie and I imagine it with glasses, because it's been parodied so many times before and they always have glasses on.
Got me. They made an especially stupid post and I snarked at them, then looked closer, saw they had a tiny number of submissions and were working transinvestigation instead of transvestigation, then I saw it was you replying to my comment and my original belief that you had dumped / remade your account had to be flushed. To be fair, I don't really think the obsession with trans people is good for either of you, but they might just be aping your style and playing it in extremis.
Thanks for your opinion, but you cant un-wake up from this stuff. I'm not 'obsessed with trannies' I'm just aware of a truth that you aren't aware of, and you see that as being 'obsessed with trannies'. You have a lack of perspective. This is something that you have to study. They don't teach us how to spot trannies in school, you need to really study the differences in men and women, especially with all the plastic surgery we have today.
You think everyone is trans. You're like, one thought away from the lefties who want everyone to be trans. We're just not that common, despite what the media would have you believe.
Regular human beings who do this? Rare, but a lot more common than you'd think and it's becoming MUCH more common. In these 'elites'? It's the norm. It's not rare at all.
I'm sorry you felt like you had to take hormones and surgically alter your body in order to 'be true to yourself'. That makes no sense to me, and I'm afraid you were probably brainwashed into doing this through seeing these things on the Tranny Vision and in the magazines.
In my opinion, you've opted to take the mark of the beast. I don't really know if you can ever undo it, but I hope you can.
I don't know if I'm an expert, but I do have lived experience.
From my understanding, actual trans people, which is a category distinct from the transtrenders, essentially have a birth defect. Gendering of the brain and gendering of the body occur at two different times during pregnancy. If the hormone balance is off on brain gendering day, you get the brain of the other gender, and that generates a shitload of dissonance, since you're wired to be a certain way and aren't. This is part of why I think the left is being pants on head stupid when they insist that gendered brain differences aren't a thing, they very obviously are, and you can see this in the results of people who try to raise their kids genderless, only to find them playing with trucks / dolls one day. Brains are gendered, the genders are different, and once in a while someone gets fucked with a brain of the wrong gender for their body.
I don't understand why those with money and power would transition if they weren't experiencing this brain/body mismatch. SRS, at least from my perspective, is better than nothing, better than living with a body that causes me intense emotional pain when I'm forced to confront the aspects that don't match my neurological gender. But for a healthy person who doesn't have crossed wires, why the fuck would they want a body almost guaranteed to be less ideal than one that was allowed to develop along the lines it's inclined to? It's not like, to the best of my knowledge, we have sex that is as good as brain/body matched people post op. As I said, for someone who's really experiencing that condition, it's better than things as they stand, but for a normal person? Why the fuck would you do that, especially if you're someone with money and power and influence over people?
So, that sounds like some bullshit explanation that someone came up with. Got anything to back it up? I'm not saying hormone imbalance WONT cause transgenderism, but you need to prove that is the only cause, and still that the solution to this brain wiring is to transition into the other gender (something I completely disagree with).
Don't you think it's more likely that seeing a bunch of trannies and faggots on TV will get your brain all scrambled up and confused? People try to pin this on biology, but humans learn from their environment. Now, put your prejudice aside, just IMAGINE that EVERYONE on TV were transgender, would that not make some people's brains get all scrambled and confused and find themselves feeling like they aren't in the right sex?
Would seeing your male characteristics in the FEMALES on the TV, not be confusing for you subconsciously?
This is why the trannies being secret is so important. It screws with all of us subconsciously
Why these elites transgender themselves is a whole nother bag of worms, so why dont you work on waking up to the fact that secret trannies on the TV exist, first. Then you work on realising that ALMOST ALL of the people on TV are secretly transgendered, THEN we can start answering the WHY aspect.
If you still believe articles pushed by mainstream media I really can't help you. Use your common sense what do you think? Do you think seeing these things on TV would have an effect on people?
So let's be clear: The full range of your tactics in a debate over the truth of a matter is to:
A: Demand evidence.
B: Ridicule the evidence.
C: Ridicule the understanding of your opponent, and end the discussion.
At no point in this, despite repeated requests, have you presented anything that could be called evidence. You won't consider new hypothesis, nor will you examine the flaws in your own, nor subject them to debate. You're on a site that's dedicated to free speech, but all you really try to do is shut down opposition. That's sad.
I'll be around if you ever want to actually examine the issue, and demonstrate your expertise, instead of performing the linguistic equivalent of flinging poo and declaring yourself the victor.
While my knowledge is not as good as I would like, let me ask you: What is your opinion if we can grow new dna-matched organs that provide full reproductive capacity?
What if CRISPR or its intellectual descendants allow us to completely rewrite our dna?
What if we can completely reshape a human body, using advanced medical nanotechnology to completely reconfigure the organism, on every level?
Questions to ponder, until we talk again. Do let me know how it works out with your duplicate / false flagger. It certainly looks like /u/SaveTheChiIdren is trying to make you look worse, and I think it's shitty to attack your reputation like that.
Things created this way are not human. I will never support that. Humans are made through having sex. Whatever those things are are CREATURES. Abominations.
I'm talking about humans made through good old fashioned, mutation generated and natural selection refined, fucking. The beast with two backs, the horizontal mambo, pick your preferred euphemism. Make it a good one, please. I've heard a lot of them and I do enjoy hearing new ones.
In any case, I mean children put into a woman by fertilizing an egg in her uterus with penis injected semen. Some of those babies come out early. Of the babies that come out early, some die. Of the ones that live, many suffer lifelong effects such as difficulty breathing. If some of those humans live who would have died, and live better lives, where is the evil?
Incidentally, if science and its products are bad and wrong and evil, how do you feel about, say, open heart surgery, or liver transplants, or cancer treatments based on CRISPR and altering a person's immune system?
And what are you doing on the internet? Computers are hugely scientific, in design, function, and usage!
I expect to have an immense amount of fun. I see no reason to believe a book that was generated by bronze age goat herders, passed down through word of mouth, edited for political reasons, multiply retranslated, and used as a basis to oppress human freedom for centuries.
I have no reason to believe it is anything but a codification of tribal laws, helpful for passing on basic morality (in some senses. In many others the morals of the bible are quite terrible. Would you offer your daughters to be gang raped? What are your feelings on slavery?)to some people who really needed the help, but not actually true.
Do I think sustaining life instead of allowing death is harmful? No, I think it's the opposite. You call yourself SaveTheChildren, then you talk about how you want children to die. You don't think dying is harmful?
If a woman's body rejects a fetus, it's very likely the fetus has issues. I don't think humans that come out super retarded are worth living. They should have just died.
I have watched it; I feel how AWESOME it is. Soon, that technology will allow is to save the lives of prematurely born children, and improve the lives of the ones who would have lived. Human lives will be saved, this is EVIL?
Dear god. We have no ethics anymore. This is disturbing. We should not be raising a lamb inside of an artificial womb. You know they probably already do this to human beings and just don't tell us. ITS DISGUSTING.
Now imagine the difference between the fetus that grows up to be a ziplock baby, and one that dies. Imagine it growing up and having experiences, and getting over how uncomfortable the baggy made it, vs the experience of the one that died and was cast into the trash.
Ok, you personally would. I would rather live. Why does your opinion deserve to prevail for all the lives that could be saved by this?
If you'd rather be dead, once you're an adult, it's not like that's all that hard to accomplish, not that I am recommending that anyone do so. But from the principle of self ownership that I have described elsewhere earlier today, if you own your life, shouldn't you be allowed to end it? If you own a car, and you own a mining pick, you can take the mining pick to your car to your heart's content, even destroy it utterly, end its existence as a car, can you not?
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PassingShip ago
I don't have any memory of shirt color... but I distinctly remember him turning around and wearing sunglasses.
SaveTheChildren ago
I figured this could be a big Mandela effect for people. I never even saw the movie and I imagine it with glasses, because it's been parodied so many times before and they always have glasses on.
PassingShip ago
Incidentally, do you know you have a clone running around?
SaveTheChildren ago
WTF is that shit?
PassingShip ago
Got me. They made an especially stupid post and I snarked at them, then looked closer, saw they had a tiny number of submissions and were working transinvestigation instead of transvestigation, then I saw it was you replying to my comment and my original belief that you had dumped / remade your account had to be flushed. To be fair, I don't really think the obsession with trans people is good for either of you, but they might just be aping your style and playing it in extremis.
SaveTheChildren ago
Thanks for your opinion, but you cant un-wake up from this stuff. I'm not 'obsessed with trannies' I'm just aware of a truth that you aren't aware of, and you see that as being 'obsessed with trannies'. You have a lack of perspective. This is something that you have to study. They don't teach us how to spot trannies in school, you need to really study the differences in men and women, especially with all the plastic surgery we have today.
PassingShip ago
You think everyone is trans. You're like, one thought away from the lefties who want everyone to be trans. We're just not that common, despite what the media would have you believe.
SaveTheChildren ago
Regular human beings who do this? Rare, but a lot more common than you'd think and it's becoming MUCH more common. In these 'elites'? It's the norm. It's not rare at all.
I'm sorry you felt like you had to take hormones and surgically alter your body in order to 'be true to yourself'. That makes no sense to me, and I'm afraid you were probably brainwashed into doing this through seeing these things on the Tranny Vision and in the magazines.
In my opinion, you've opted to take the mark of the beast. I don't really know if you can ever undo it, but I hope you can.
PassingShip ago
Are you interested in an honest discussion, or do you intend to dismiss anything I say? Serious question.
SaveTheChildren ago
I consider myself a tranny expert. Of course I'd love honest discussion.
PassingShip ago
I don't know if I'm an expert, but I do have lived experience.
From my understanding, actual trans people, which is a category distinct from the transtrenders, essentially have a birth defect. Gendering of the brain and gendering of the body occur at two different times during pregnancy. If the hormone balance is off on brain gendering day, you get the brain of the other gender, and that generates a shitload of dissonance, since you're wired to be a certain way and aren't. This is part of why I think the left is being pants on head stupid when they insist that gendered brain differences aren't a thing, they very obviously are, and you can see this in the results of people who try to raise their kids genderless, only to find them playing with trucks / dolls one day. Brains are gendered, the genders are different, and once in a while someone gets fucked with a brain of the wrong gender for their body.
I don't understand why those with money and power would transition if they weren't experiencing this brain/body mismatch. SRS, at least from my perspective, is better than nothing, better than living with a body that causes me intense emotional pain when I'm forced to confront the aspects that don't match my neurological gender. But for a healthy person who doesn't have crossed wires, why the fuck would they want a body almost guaranteed to be less ideal than one that was allowed to develop along the lines it's inclined to? It's not like, to the best of my knowledge, we have sex that is as good as brain/body matched people post op. As I said, for someone who's really experiencing that condition, it's better than things as they stand, but for a normal person? Why the fuck would you do that, especially if you're someone with money and power and influence over people?
SaveTheChildren ago
So, that sounds like some bullshit explanation that someone came up with. Got anything to back it up? I'm not saying hormone imbalance WONT cause transgenderism, but you need to prove that is the only cause, and still that the solution to this brain wiring is to transition into the other gender (something I completely disagree with).
Don't you think it's more likely that seeing a bunch of trannies and faggots on TV will get your brain all scrambled up and confused? People try to pin this on biology, but humans learn from their environment. Now, put your prejudice aside, just IMAGINE that EVERYONE on TV were transgender, would that not make some people's brains get all scrambled and confused and find themselves feeling like they aren't in the right sex?
Would seeing your male characteristics in the FEMALES on the TV, not be confusing for you subconsciously?
This is why the trannies being secret is so important. It screws with all of us subconsciously
Why these elites transgender themselves is a whole nother bag of worms, so why dont you work on waking up to the fact that secret trannies on the TV exist, first. Then you work on realising that ALMOST ALL of the people on TV are secretly transgendered, THEN we can start answering the WHY aspect.
PassingShip ago
It might, if I watched TV. Since I don't, that doesn't really explain anything in my case.
Here and here are some articles that support my point.
Trans and gays on tv scrambling brains also sounds like some bullshit explanation that someone came up with. Got anything to back it up?
SaveTheChildren ago
If you still believe articles pushed by mainstream media I really can't help you. Use your common sense what do you think? Do you think seeing these things on TV would have an effect on people?
PassingShip ago
This is what I meant about not listening.
Also, I provided evidence. You provided nothing but, that's not true. Do you have evidence of that?
Who benefits from this hypothetical conspiracy? What does anyone get out of it?
Why has not a single person come forward with information on this? They could send it to wikileaks anonymously.
SaveTheChildren ago
Lol.... K go back to your Santa tales. Wiki leaks has always been compromised. They don't show us stuff we aren't supposed to see.
PassingShip ago
So let's be clear: The full range of your tactics in a debate over the truth of a matter is to:
A: Demand evidence.
B: Ridicule the evidence.
C: Ridicule the understanding of your opponent, and end the discussion.
At no point in this, despite repeated requests, have you presented anything that could be called evidence. You won't consider new hypothesis, nor will you examine the flaws in your own, nor subject them to debate. You're on a site that's dedicated to free speech, but all you really try to do is shut down opposition. That's sad.
I'll be around if you ever want to actually examine the issue, and demonstrate your expertise, instead of performing the linguistic equivalent of flinging poo and declaring yourself the victor.
SaveTheChildren ago
K. Go learn human anatomy in the meantime.
PassingShip ago
While my knowledge is not as good as I would like, let me ask you: What is your opinion if we can grow new dna-matched organs that provide full reproductive capacity?
What if CRISPR or its intellectual descendants allow us to completely rewrite our dna?
What if we can completely reshape a human body, using advanced medical nanotechnology to completely reconfigure the organism, on every level?
Questions to ponder, until we talk again. Do let me know how it works out with your duplicate / false flagger. It certainly looks like /u/SaveTheChiIdren is trying to make you look worse, and I think it's shitty to attack your reputation like that.
SaveTheChildren ago
What youre talking about is pure EVIL.
Humans are meant to pro-create through sex between a man and a woman. Get out of here with your distopian future EVIL done in the name of 'science'.
We have no morals any more. People are such degenerates.
PassingShip ago
Why is it EVIL?
SaveTheChildren ago
Things created this way are not human. I will never support that. Humans are made through having sex. Whatever those things are are CREATURES. Abominations.
PassingShip ago
I'm talking about humans made through good old fashioned, mutation generated and natural selection refined, fucking. The beast with two backs, the horizontal mambo, pick your preferred euphemism. Make it a good one, please. I've heard a lot of them and I do enjoy hearing new ones.
In any case, I mean children put into a woman by fertilizing an egg in her uterus with penis injected semen. Some of those babies come out early. Of the babies that come out early, some die. Of the ones that live, many suffer lifelong effects such as difficulty breathing. If some of those humans live who would have died, and live better lives, where is the evil?
SaveTheChildren ago
They are using this technology for much more... This is disturbing.
PassingShip ago
Incidentally, if science and its products are bad and wrong and evil, how do you feel about, say, open heart surgery, or liver transplants, or cancer treatments based on CRISPR and altering a person's immune system?
And what are you doing on the internet? Computers are hugely scientific, in design, function, and usage!
SaveTheChildren ago
Crispr is evil.
PassingShip ago
How is it evil? Evidence, please.
SaveTheChildren ago
Lol, I really got you with that one didn't I? Nothing is taboo to you people.
PassingShip ago
How is it evil? Still looking for evidence instead of emotional arguments.
SaveTheChildren ago
K transhumanist
PassingShip ago
Do you think that is an insult? I am going to borg out hard.
SaveTheChildren ago
I will not take the mark of the beast. Have fun with that.
PassingShip ago
I expect to have an immense amount of fun. I see no reason to believe a book that was generated by bronze age goat herders, passed down through word of mouth, edited for political reasons, multiply retranslated, and used as a basis to oppress human freedom for centuries.
SaveTheChildren ago
I don't believe in the bible like that either im sure it's been tampered with.
PassingShip ago
I have no reason to believe it is anything but a codification of tribal laws, helpful for passing on basic morality (in some senses. In many others the morals of the bible are quite terrible. Would you offer your daughters to be gang raped? What are your feelings on slavery?)to some people who really needed the help, but not actually true.
SaveTheChildren ago
wtf are you even talking about? I'm not christian.
PassingShip ago
Sorry, you talked about the mark of the beast, which is part of the christian mythos, is it not?
SaveTheChildren ago
Yup. Just because the bible isn't 100% right doesn't mean it doesn't have truths. It's a good metaphor.
PassingShip ago
People called credit cards the mark of the beast, do you not use those, either?
SaveTheChildren ago
No, those people sound dumb. Credit cards do have their downsides though.
SaveTheChiIdren ago
People call trannies gay, doesn't make it true.
SaveTheChildren ago
do you think that anything is evil?
PassingShip ago
Harming unwilling people.
SaveTheChildren ago
And you don't think any of this is harmful?
PassingShip ago
Do I think sustaining life instead of allowing death is harmful? No, I think it's the opposite. You call yourself SaveTheChildren, then you talk about how you want children to die. You don't think dying is harmful?
SaveTheChildren ago
Interesting perspective.
I think growing a fetus in a plastic bag is disturbing and unethical.
PassingShip ago
I think letting a baby die when it could be saved is disturbing and unethical.
SaveTheChildren ago
I don't agree. No fetus should grow inside of a plastic baggie.
PassingShip ago
So you are in favor of babies dying?
SaveTheChildren ago
sometimes, yes. Not all fetuses are meant for this world. I'm okay with that truth. Some people aren't.
PassingShip ago
Meant by who? Why do they get to pick and choose?
SaveTheChildren ago
If a woman's body rejects a fetus, it's very likely the fetus has issues. I don't think humans that come out super retarded are worth living. They should have just died.
PassingShip ago
Something like this would reduce the incidence of brain damage and let the fetus fully grow, so you have a healthy human being instead of a corpse.
SaveTheChildren ago
Healthy retard you mean.
I don't want to 'save' my child that will be mentally retarded.
PassingShip ago
Where is your evidence?
SaveTheChildren ago
K, just keep TRUSTING them... LOL
PassingShip ago
Show me your evidence. Where is your evidence.
What do you think you know, and how do you think you know it?
SaveTheChildren ago
Can you use your brain please?
Go watch the video of the lamb being GROWN in a plastic baggie 'uterus' and tell me that you do not feel how wrong it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCGF8qrBKjY
PassingShip ago
I have watched it; I feel how AWESOME it is. Soon, that technology will allow is to save the lives of prematurely born children, and improve the lives of the ones who would have lived. Human lives will be saved, this is EVIL?
SaveTheChildren ago
Dear god. We have no ethics anymore. This is disturbing. We should not be raising a lamb inside of an artificial womb. You know they probably already do this to human beings and just don't tell us. ITS DISGUSTING.
PassingShip ago
So you feel icky, and that means it's bad? That's really your best argument?
SaveTheChildren ago
Um. YES, it's called listening to your heart, your instincts. Everything about this is BEYOND disturbing.
How do you think it is to be a lamb that grows up in a plastic baggie rather than in the uterus of its mother?
theoldguy ago
AKA feels before reals!
PassingShip ago
Better than to be dead?
SaveTheChildren ago
No. Wrong. Imagine the difference between a fetus that grows up inside his mom, and one that grows up inside a plastic baggie.
PassingShip ago
Now imagine the difference between the fetus that grows up to be a ziplock baby, and one that dies. Imagine it growing up and having experiences, and getting over how uncomfortable the baggy made it, vs the experience of the one that died and was cast into the trash.
SaveTheChildren ago
I'd rather be dead
PassingShip ago
Ok, you personally would. I would rather live. Why does your opinion deserve to prevail for all the lives that could be saved by this?
If you'd rather be dead, once you're an adult, it's not like that's all that hard to accomplish, not that I am recommending that anyone do so. But from the principle of self ownership that I have described elsewhere earlier today, if you own your life, shouldn't you be allowed to end it? If you own a car, and you own a mining pick, you can take the mining pick to your car to your heart's content, even destroy it utterly, end its existence as a car, can you not?
SaveTheChildren ago
What?