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qwop ago

I'm all for conspiracies, but the ones that I and many other believe to be true are backed by a lot of evidence and very sound research.

I'm an engineer, I know maths, and I know physics, and I've tried many many times to look at the flat earth claims.

I've tried real hard. Really really hard. And so far I have not found ANYTHING convincing in these claims.

In fact, what I consistently find is flat out blatant lies, falsehoods and misdirections. At this point my only conclusion is it's either invented by someone with a high-school education, and no real understanding of basic maths and physics, or it's a very poorly constructed deliberate lie.

Therefore there are only two possibilities here:

1) You're sincere, but you just don't realize you are being had. You spend all this time and energy on a topic that is a dead end. You waste yours and everyone else's time here telling stories that have no real basis in anything scientifically or mathematically factual.

2) You're trying to co-opt Voat into this ridiculous complete blatant psyop lie

Either way, I wish you'd spend your time on something more productive. "Exposing" whatever it is you think you are exposing doesn't do anyone any good.

Your time would be much better spent concentrating on the immediate problems we face here, such as war, political and corporate corruption, media lies, and medical/pharmaceutical poisoning of our food, lands, and populations.

I repeat, you are wasting everyone's time here, including your own.

4Huma2printathome ago

Sorry for the late response. The truth is, we all have to play our parts. And imho, each one of us, should focus on a issue(s) that we feel passionate about. And you are very wrong to think that I am doing this as part of a "psy-opt."

It just doesn't even make sense to me when people suggest this. What would NASA possibly have to gain by having so many people claim that space or space as we've been taught, is the Grand Deception?

Moreover, what do Flat Earthers have to gain, save for public ridicule, unless they sincerely believe this to be truth?

It is the mainstream media and scientists who have put so much effort into calling Flat Earther's a "psy-opt." The same mainstream media and scientists who suppressed so much of our ancient history, called 9/11 truthers mentally ill and Pizzagate fake news. Perhaps someone needs to redefine what a psy-opt is to me.

One never hears about the mathematicians or air plane pilots, naval officers or scientists who also make up the Flat Earth movement. Instead the media uses the straw man argument and just highlights a poorly educated nut.

Despite that, I do very much agree with you, that there are many other very serious problems in this world that people should be focusing on, so I won't bother you again. However, I will always continue to expose deception and hypocrisy whenever I can. And whether you believe this or not, I 100% support your efforts in exposing evil and deception as well. Best of luck to you!

qwop ago

It's not NASA that gains anything.

A psy-op is an operation started by some 3rd party (for example CIA) to distract the populace from the real issues.

It's an operation meant to waste people's time. That's all. That's what a psy-op is, and that is its purpose.

Isn't it wasting your time? Very successfully.

But I agree, you are entitled to talk about anything you want, and spend your own time as you see fit. I am only really concerned, as I see a growing number of people spending significant time on the flat earth theory. And I mean really an enormous amount of time.

Some people spend their full waking hours on it. I heard a radio interview of an unemployed guy who did nothing else all day long. Completely consumed. To the point he was unemployed and unable to take care of normal human duties. And I'm sure he is not the only one doing that.

Flat earth has become a global time-waster of enormous proportions.

Btw. I will give you just one example that you should seriously consider.

In science a model is used to both validate and predict what we see around us. When the model does not agree with what you see happening around you, you need to throw out the model and try and find a better model.

So I will give you just one example that is completely impossible to explain using the flat-earth model. There are many others, but this is easy to validate and check for anyone:

During the night you can see stars rotate in different directions on either side of the equator. And not only that, the starts rotate around a different common point.

In the northern hemisphere all stars rotate counter-clockwise. And they all rotate around a common point in the sky, which is the Polaris, or the North Star.

In the southern hemisphere all stars rotate clockwise, and they rotate around a DIFFERENT star, which is Sigma Octantis, or the South Star.

In the flat earth model we're supposed to live under a dome where all stars are located.

In a dome model it is completely impossible in any way shape or form to have a rotation in two different direction, at two different locations, around two different points, at the same time. It can't be done. It's completely impossible.

You can make Youtube videos about it as much as you want, you can't make it work.

Therefore, it's impossible for the flat earth model to be valid. This is how science is done. Not with Youtube videos. You go out into the real world. You create mathematical formulas and you make calculations. The flat earth model is Youtube videos. There are no calculations. There are no formulas. All it is, is a bunch of Youtube videos.

And it fails to validate the counter-rotating stars. And that is only one example. There are many more examples, but flat-earthers don't like to talk about them.

That's not how science is done. Cherry picking is not science. It's dishonesty. The flat earthers are cherry picking all over the place, and skipping all the situations where their model does not work.

4Huma2printathome ago

Thank you for such a nice response. If I'm really honest, I think pizzagate is by far the most important truth that needs to be exposed and resolved first, but am most definitely one of those crack pots who has become obsessed with finding out the truth behind the NASA space deception.

Believe it or not, I have no shame though for this fact, because I believe our elite to be absolutely disgusting and so not fitting into their fucked up paradigm of what "they" think I should be, is more of a compliment.

But anyways there are so many good videos explaining the star trails under flat earth using time lapsed photography. This one is short but has quite the snazzy sound track:

https://youtu.be/afsb39_6QF0

What some flat earthers are missing though, is that while imho, we most definitely are on one of many, many, flat planes of existence, the truth is that all of this is just an illusion anyways. (Haha, and now I have fully confirmed to you that I am an old fool 😜)

Anyways thanks for your time and for providing a very well thought out alternative point view, (And I will definitely check more into the star trails argument just to be sure) and would like to thank you for all of the excellent work you're doing exposing hypocrisy as well.

Cheers! πŸ¦„

Pssst: I'm so happy that you brought up the importance of theories matching the observable evidence.

Is it not just a little bit odd anyways, that just like the never been proven equation for gravity, the "theory of relativity" which has also never been proven, is only able to passably fit into the mainstream narrative by making up an exotic form of energy and matter (dark energy/matter) to explain 95% of the observable universe?

Like you, I was always taught that our observations needed to match our theory? But I guess now we know that we can just make up 95% of the data and call it invisible!

qwop ago

I watched the video. It's wrong. Again I see the same broken lies.

It's simply wrong. It states you would need to be on the north pole to see the stars spinning around a common point.

Not so. When the stars are a long distance away, compared to the circumference of the earth, it does not matter if you're on the pole or closer to the equator. You will still see the stars rotate exactly the same way.

This is what I mean with the flat earth theory. It's created by people who do not understand basic mathematics and trigonometry.

What they say in this video is simply mathematically wrong. I challenge you to calculate this yourself on a piece of paper, and you will see that what is presented in this video is wrong.

So you see what I mean. The flat earth theory is paper napkin doodling. Nobody ever does a proper calculation. They just put words on videos, and no mathematical proofs.

Again. From basic trigonometry and mathematics, what this video states is just plain wrong. You do still trust mathematics and trigonometry? You know, the basic building blocks used to understand reality.

If you don't trust mathematics and trigonometry any more, but instead words on a Youtube video, then you're going straight back to the stone age.