Do you think /r/conspiracy is the butt of a plot to either discredit them, or do you think that /r/conspiracy users are members of stormfront and other organizations actively trying to push their own personal agenda?
if you look at Is rConspiracy Racist? you will see that there is never a shortage of racist remarks, holocaust denial, etc.
Just a few years ago it didn't seem to be like that, and now here on Voat, it doesn't seem racist either.
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Rellik88 ago
Well a lot of theories are based on Zionists, so unfortunately it will come up. However whats troubling for me is people cant see the difference between Zionism and Judaism, and instead of debating or discussing an issue just cry racism. Which is a BS excuse to not debate.
Errl ago
i agree that the discussion has to happen on the difference between zionists and regular jews, but it feels as though there is a direct agenda to put the jews in a bad light, and outright deny the holocaust happened. i feel as though a lot of times they use "zionist" simply to talk about jews and be "sneaky".
it just seems like forced intolerance. I'm not trying to say you can't say whatever you want to say but it just seems to be gamed to promote racist right-wing agendas
ParrhesiaJoe ago
Always remember that the prime strategy of Cointel is to pretend to be the PLAUSIBLE fringe of any group... slightly more aggressive, slightly more radical, with more typically bigoted insights. When you think about it... isn't that how YOU would take down a movement?
Take someone's side, but conflate the rationale and the specifics to seem like a raging moron.
Whereas you or I would say that there is an over-representation of Jews, statistically, in a lot of areas... and the control of any influence over the affairs of a nation or group should be regarded with much scrutiny... the CoIntel will say, "Jews CONTROL EVERYTHING. Jews OWN AMERICA."
We might say, "For political reasons, it appears that a lot of Soviet Propaganda about the Nazis was taken with less scrutiny than justice deserves."
They will say, "The holocaust never happened! Jews Financed Hitler!"
Errl ago
this is exactly the kind of discussion I was trying to have. I am curious if it is actually cointel trying to discredit, or is it racist orgs trying to recruit? it seems so forced over there and over here it seems like we can have a logical conversation about what really is happening. is it JIDF? is it Stormfront? is it conspiritard trying to make the conspiracy theorists look like fools "for the lulz"?
ParrhesiaJoe ago
Well... I don't think it's mostly "for the lulz". The reason is that I used to be a little shithead troll, back in my teens. I understand what people get from trolling, but as an authentic little dickhead troll, I acted WAY differently than these pros.
I actually got my mind changed by an anti-troll, and that's why I stopped trolling. I used to be a dickhead about Christianity, mostly =P. I was petulant and smug... but I don't see much "teenage dickhead" tone to their discussions. I'm 90% certain that someone's gettin paid =P I just don't know by whom... but I only fear foreign intelligence services.
I understand why JTRIG and JSOC would have an interest in tanking stuff like http://www.superconductors.org/28C_RTSC.htm. Geostrategic military blah. The dudes who are just doing this for corporations can suck my balls.