rhetorical gimmick which ignores that you can only determine the simplest explanation with enough contextual awareness.
p.s. Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity" = rhetorical gimmick employing absolutism (instantly invalid) and ignores that criminals frequently (if not most of the time) hide behind the shield of accident and ignorance.
Disinformation agents LOVE using Hanlon's razor and Occam's razor to "debunk" conspiracies. All they must do is prove the possibility of coincidence and Hanlon claims no ill intent.
Likewise, Occam claims wrong conclusions are most likely true based on limited access to information. You can see how this is a bane of Conspiracy investigators, as information is nearly always quite limited.
a thinking man needs no such rhetorical mind-killing crutches.
for example: It is widely accepted the 3rd Reich was interested in the Occult. No occultists remain ignorant of powerful (widely used if not universal) symbols and their meanings. It could thus be likewise argued that the simplest explanation is that after thoughtful consideration Hitler chose a symbol recognized world wide as a symbol of peace, luck, and good will. A unifying symbol. It was not selected while at war, after all.
Someone skilled at, and perhaps obsessed with, symbolism just randomly chooses a symbol as the most important mark for their movement because it looks nice? Or, perhaps even cursory research was performed and the selection was purposeful.
When one understands the greater context then one sees the most reasonable answer is that the swastika was not a chance selection. Hitler no doubt saw many symbols in his young life. The swastika just also happened to represent a particular occult meaning which matches his message, by chance? Come on, think.
The conspiracy here is that in order to present propaganda that claims Hitler's symbol is one of hate, one MUST disassociate the symbol's selection from the fact of its well known meaning of anti-hate. This means the narrative of chance selection is most certainly a conspiracy. Anyone with a working brain can see this is true. For if the histories tell of a man trying to peacefully promote his cultural unity, and the unity of other cultures world wide, then the Hollywood caricature of "Evil Crazed Nazi" doesn't work. A read of Mein Kampf will illuminate the reality of National Socialism's ideals matching the existing old world meaning of the swastika.
TL;DR: Only those who don't know about the existing, ancient, widespread meaning of the symbol think it was a chance selection. Isn't it simpler to explain that Hitler selected a symbol with a meaning that matched his message, rather than explain that was an unlikely but happy accident? Or Worse: Hollywood would have us believe that Hitler, known occultist, was completely ignorant about the meaning of his movement's prime symbolism.
Much better answer. Thank you and sorry. Working swing shift must have my brain a bit fried. That does make much more sense. I also see how Occam's razor is a silly concept if you don't have all the info in front of you. I still don't have all the info the because all I have is your speculation. Though I do think that is well thought out and much better reason.
Ill try to drop the Occam's razor thing because I realize how everything tends to not be what it appears. Looking back I am not sure why I posted that. I think its just the fact that this is such a big step to think Nazis ruled forever and history was rewritten.... I know that history has been rewritten in many instances though.
Please excuse my rampant edits and somewhat condescending tone. I get writers block. Some authors start off scripts, books or articles with a letter to a loved one about this script they're thinking of doing, and that becomes the writing. I use voat comments. Any vitriol or other emotional content is not aimed at you, but at a hypothetical future reader who knows absolutely nothing.
I excuse for sure. I do the same. I should edit and re-edit my posts because everyday I find new info that slightly changes my view. We are breaking through the conditioning. Its just a matter of us not looking into things that also aren't there. I know I do it all the time.
Humanity has a chance as long as this internet thing is around. We can still have these discussions. There are so many of us that finding someone capable of critical thinking is hard to find. The internet is solving that.
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DearClaudio ago
Seems more likely that the Nazis co-opted a popular symbol. I ammhard pressed to find the exact reasoning behind the Nazis choosing this symbol.
I find it more interesting that this many cultures had this symbol represented in their artworks.
Tancred ago
Hitler saw the symbol regularly during his teenage years and liked it.
That's it. That's the whole story.
DearClaudio ago
Occam's Razor
who-am-i ago
rhetorical gimmick which ignores that you can only determine the simplest explanation with enough contextual awareness.
p.s. Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity" = rhetorical gimmick employing absolutism (instantly invalid) and ignores that criminals frequently (if not most of the time) hide behind the shield of accident and ignorance.
Disinformation agents LOVE using Hanlon's razor and Occam's razor to "debunk" conspiracies. All they must do is prove the possibility of coincidence and Hanlon claims no ill intent.
Likewise, Occam claims wrong conclusions are most likely true based on limited access to information. You can see how this is a bane of Conspiracy investigators, as information is nearly always quite limited.
a thinking man needs no such rhetorical mind-killing crutches.
for example: It is widely accepted the 3rd Reich was interested in the Occult. No occultists remain ignorant of powerful (widely used if not universal) symbols and their meanings. It could thus be likewise argued that the simplest explanation is that after thoughtful consideration Hitler chose a symbol recognized world wide as a symbol of peace, luck, and good will. A unifying symbol. It was not selected while at war, after all.
Someone skilled at, and perhaps obsessed with, symbolism just randomly chooses a symbol as the most important mark for their movement because it looks nice? Or, perhaps even cursory research was performed and the selection was purposeful.
When one understands the greater context then one sees the most reasonable answer is that the swastika was not a chance selection. Hitler no doubt saw many symbols in his young life. The swastika just also happened to represent a particular occult meaning which matches his message, by chance? Come on, think.
The conspiracy here is that in order to present propaganda that claims Hitler's symbol is one of hate, one MUST disassociate the symbol's selection from the fact of its well known meaning of anti-hate. This means the narrative of chance selection is most certainly a conspiracy. Anyone with a working brain can see this is true. For if the histories tell of a man trying to peacefully promote his cultural unity, and the unity of other cultures world wide, then the Hollywood caricature of "Evil Crazed Nazi" doesn't work. A read of Mein Kampf will illuminate the reality of National Socialism's ideals matching the existing old world meaning of the swastika.
TL;DR: Only those who don't know about the existing, ancient, widespread meaning of the symbol think it was a chance selection. Isn't it simpler to explain that Hitler selected a symbol with a meaning that matched his message, rather than explain that was an unlikely but happy accident? Or Worse: Hollywood would have us believe that Hitler, known occultist, was completely ignorant about the meaning of his movement's prime symbolism.
DearClaudio ago
Much better answer. Thank you and sorry. Working swing shift must have my brain a bit fried. That does make much more sense. I also see how Occam's razor is a silly concept if you don't have all the info in front of you. I still don't have all the info the because all I have is your speculation. Though I do think that is well thought out and much better reason.
Ill try to drop the Occam's razor thing because I realize how everything tends to not be what it appears. Looking back I am not sure why I posted that. I think its just the fact that this is such a big step to think Nazis ruled forever and history was rewritten.... I know that history has been rewritten in many instances though.
who-am-i ago
Please excuse my rampant edits and somewhat condescending tone. I get writers block. Some authors start off scripts, books or articles with a letter to a loved one about this script they're thinking of doing, and that becomes the writing. I use voat comments. Any vitriol or other emotional content is not aimed at you, but at a hypothetical future reader who knows absolutely nothing.
WE ARE BREAKING THE CONDITIONING!
DearClaudio ago
I excuse for sure. I do the same. I should edit and re-edit my posts because everyday I find new info that slightly changes my view. We are breaking through the conditioning. Its just a matter of us not looking into things that also aren't there. I know I do it all the time.
Humanity has a chance as long as this internet thing is around. We can still have these discussions. There are so many of us that finding someone capable of critical thinking is hard to find. The internet is solving that.