I was going to write an essay but here are bullet points culminating into a theory of a pizzagate psyop; (also posted in v/pizzagate)
Pizzagate could be real, or not, but the evidence is damning whether it be real or planted.
Specific people and places are under suspicion, rather than a really large list of names (of course people have found connections, but generally the Twitter hive focuses on Podesta\Clinton\Alefantis.)
The people under suspicion are generally disliked and unlikable\creepy. They are also easy targets (some queer, some politicians, some weird ass "artists", all rich)
4.The suspects all had the goal of electing Hillary, a thoroughly unlikable woman even disliked within her own circles (as they refer to her in the emails).
Their objective of getting Clinton elected was stillborn from the moment of conception, themselves deluded by their own egos and the chance that being a woman would win them it or that their masters would rig it. NB They (Clinton's masters) could have rigged it easily but chose not to.
Trump's violent rhetoric during the campaign and threats of disarmament of the US population coincided nicely within the context of terrorism, refugees, war (and Clinton as an alternative choice), both validating hate and justifying voting for it.
Trump unsurprisingly gets elected (please, her campaign was useless, comment sections everywhere derided her, she practically declared war with Russia with the no fly zone shit, the Brexit tide was not going out, SHE COULD BARELY STAND, how could anyone believe, inside and out the MSM, that she would win?)
The MSM and its players do not question what they are told to read. It is as useless to deride puppets as it is to deride the monoxide blondes on CNN etc. They do seem genuinely surprised by Trump's win, as if some of them had anticipated that it would have been rigged in Clinton's favour.
Pizzagate is unleashed unto the world , Russia is blamed by the same MSM and people whom the public suspect.
Vote recounts make the news, and Electoral College called into question. **Clinton could still become president. **
THE REAL PLAN: Pizzagate was deliberately released to coincide with Clinton becoming President through faithless electors. Through pizzagate the public want her dead including the die hard Trump fans, mostly armed to the teeth and really angry. Martial Law is called when people start flooding the streets to protest and Clinton\Podesta et all are thrown under the bus in a brutal display of public execution brought on by the coup lead by Donald Trump, still just a puppet for the same puppet master that used to use Clinton. Trump becomes a puppet dictator. The illusion that the government cares for you is thrown away to prevent future perversities, and US is finally aligned with Russia and China after everybody agrees Russia must have been the good guy behind it all to reveal the crimes committed by Clinton and her gang.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38297353 the MSM is saying this is improbable, which must mean it will happen considering their prior mispredictions
Warnos44 ago
I just want to say that I feel like there is definitely something bad going down behind the curtain. I've also noticed how insane the entire thing has been. It's so outrageous that it has to have been planned. In the pit of my stomach I've got a ball of dread for what the day will bring in the news each morning when I get up. I've been thinking about how Soros' life goal is to destroy America and how Hilary didn't get in. He's played all his cards and has nothing left to lose now, its all or nothing because he's at the end of his years. Is Obama puppet enough to launch nukes at the US and say it was Russia? That's what I've been thinking for a couple weeks now. And when he "confirmed" it was russian interference it just gave me more chills. Ugh.
d3r ago
Then stop trying to give me an answer. Stick the bible up your ass, the most relevant religious text to politics and conspiracy is the Talmud.
d3r ago
Russia is gonna turn on Iran and side with Israel? Seems like that would take a decade.
d3r ago
How can Israeli-US ever align with Russia?
Sciency ago
I give you props for being one of the few new users around here to admit freely that there is no conclusive proof about pizzagate.
Your theory makes sense, though I don't think clinton's campaign was doomed from the start, as much as I would have liked that. It wasn't exactly a close race, but there was ton of fraud going on, and I don't think your risk those kinds of crimes if you think you'll lose anyway.
If PG is a hoax, it might be to meant incite chaos, but I feel its more likely this is about discrediting researchers like us. You know the whole "fake news" thing? I think that is very tied to pizzagate. "fake news" is meant to discredit any and all news that is not vetted by the elites, and pizzagate is here to finish off all credibility from any single researcher. Most people think "fake news" is all about covering for pizzagate, but I think thats stupid. If we had proof of PG, no amount of media buzzwords would keep the truth from the people, and the MS knows that.
If they ever successfully discredit citizen journalism, we have lost this country for good. It will truly be 1984, with the ministry of truth and all.
CJJacobs ago
There is a boatload of circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial evidence is, at times, enough to convict in a court of law.
pitenius ago
Want a conviction? Stack the jurors by race.
The better analogy is "where there's smoke there's probably fire". Pizzagaters need, NEED to lay a specific, actionable charge. I believe its out there, but it may get lost in the witchhunt. Focus on the identities of the children. That's where I'd start, but secrecy can be of great use in an investigation. That's been lost, but it might have been necessary because police and judges can't be trusted. FBI, maybe. Maybe there is a deputized white knight out there.
CJJacobs ago
I agree. Right now problem is many of the victims appear to have been killed.
Next problem is that too many in law enforcement, FBI, CIA already know about this and do nothing -- THEY ARE IN ON IT. Not all, of course, but enough that our government is grossly compromised right now.
Nothing short of a miracle -- and believe you me I am praying for one -- will create the public outcry at this point which will be necessary to stimulate a call for justice.
This must be citizen-led. And God-led.
pitenius ago
There is hope of finding missing people (but identity can be tightly controlled) or finding non-circumstantial, physical evidence. That is the strongest hope now.
This has several causes and postulating a conspiracy erodes the case and drives the researcher batty. Authorities always know about crime vaguely. That's why specifics are needed. It's hard to prosecute a general consensus. I'd avoid this line of reasoning. Even if it's true, it's too painful to keep in mind.
;_; Miracles happen, but it's sad that it's come to this. I'll PM you my best hope. We're on the same page, it's just not my first rodeo.
CJJacobs ago
<it's just not my first rodeo.>
I get that sense.
After voat pizzagate has been whittled away to virtually nothing by shills, ctr, etc. things can feel quite discouraging, it is true. Thanks for the encouragement.
kiiiiiiTttty ago
Thank you for your reply.
Just to clarify, the premise is that pizzagate is probably real, but just real enough to damn certain people, not every government in the world. Perhaps Clinton and Podestas connections et all only go so far in that they can take down a few others with them (they won't be cawing names for long if they are extrajudicially executed however).
In regards to Fake News, the MSM pushing this is almost unreal, it is just odd that they would just not choose to ignore it. Can they truly believe that their Fake News story is believable, or are they trying to discredit themselves and start afresh? They must know that the illusion of our Western culture is almost destroyed considering Brexit, EU and refugee crises, and nobody has faith in the elected, surely they would have a back up plan to resume control under the banner of "truth and justice" waved by Trump?
Sciency ago
Ahh, I see. You're describing a "limited hangout." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout One of my favorite bit of espionage terminology!
When it comes to the fake news thing, its tricky. There have always been websites and news channels that lie to make money. Obviously "fake news" probably describes the average MSM group better than it does that average blog. What is strange is that they choose now to focus on these sources and claim that they somehow influenced the election more than the entire viewership of the combined MSM? It just doesn't sound legit, and the timing is beyond suspicious.
Another likely scenario I forgot to mention: This might just be a big distraction to keep the smart people wasting their time while the real shit goes down. Its not like the pizzagate trail can get any colder than it is now, so I've been splitting my research time between PG and other things.
kiiiiiiTttty ago
Wow, limited hangout is a thing? I will integrate that into the post, thanks.
Hard to believe pizzagate could be scarier than what it already is