Nope. Completely wrong. They hate us for our way of life. They hate us because we are not muslims. They wish to wipe the earth of all westerners, even if we where super nice to them. The doctrine of Islam calls for it.
Ok. Well while you have a point, this isn't happening in a vaccuum. This goes way way back. Shit is complicated. But, listen to the Jihadists. Read their magazines. They explicitly say that it's not about the bombs, it's about killing the sinners and carrying out their mission to god.
This is all bullshit. Sure, it maybe helps their recruiting, but don't be fooled. They would hate us just as much if we didn't have the Iraq war.
Can't remember the author, but some dude went to Afghanistan and just asked people why they joined the Taliban, etc and most people said because they needed employment not because they were sympathetic to the fundamentalist cause.
K. That doesn't help your arguement, though. Also it doesn't matter if you buy it, it's fact. We can argue the level of significance. Obviously what we both are saying is 'true', I just argue the religious fundamentalist aspect makes up a larger %, than the retribution aspect.
They specifically point to things like gay marriage legalization for justification to increase their operation sizes and scopes.
Kinda, we're probably not gonna get anywhere, and I'm kinda rambling, but look into how courageous these guys are, and how they are able to do it. It's because they feel like messengers of God, and that no matter what happens the next life will be super amazing if they keep fighting, etc. The average soldier over their probably has a lot more grit than the average American soldiers, but obviously are technology is far superior, and technology has decided war since forever.
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AnarchyChad ago
Nope. Completely wrong. They hate us for our way of life. They hate us because we are not muslims. They wish to wipe the earth of all westerners, even if we where super nice to them. The doctrine of Islam calls for it.
Le_Squish ago
If somebody kept dropping MOABs on my country no goddamn reason, I think I'd be pretty pissed no matter my religious affiliation.
AnarchyChad ago
Ok. Well while you have a point, this isn't happening in a vaccuum. This goes way way back. Shit is complicated. But, listen to the Jihadists. Read their magazines. They explicitly say that it's not about the bombs, it's about killing the sinners and carrying out their mission to god.
This is all bullshit. Sure, it maybe helps their recruiting, but don't be fooled. They would hate us just as much if we didn't have the Iraq war.
Le_Squish ago
I don't generally buy that.
Can't remember the author, but some dude went to Afghanistan and just asked people why they joined the Taliban, etc and most people said because they needed employment not because they were sympathetic to the fundamentalist cause.
AnarchyChad ago
K. That doesn't help your arguement, though. Also it doesn't matter if you buy it, it's fact. We can argue the level of significance. Obviously what we both are saying is 'true', I just argue the religious fundamentalist aspect makes up a larger %, than the retribution aspect.
They specifically point to things like gay marriage legalization for justification to increase their operation sizes and scopes.
Kinda, we're probably not gonna get anywhere, and I'm kinda rambling, but look into how courageous these guys are, and how they are able to do it. It's because they feel like messengers of God, and that no matter what happens the next life will be super amazing if they keep fighting, etc. The average soldier over their probably has a lot more grit than the average American soldiers, but obviously are technology is far superior, and technology has decided war since forever.