Climate damage is still real. Keep downvoating without responding. I'm from the great lakes region and it used to be in winter you could drive a truck across the ice all winter long. To ice fish, to get to the islands, whatever. You can't do any of that for even one month anymore.
You're just a bunch of children butt hurt over the details. Of course we were lied to about climate change, it's deliberate. Climate change is deliberate. They don't want us knowing the real causes. That's why we only ever talk about carbon when it isn't even the leading problematic element in the equation.
Stop being mad that you're all too poor and stupid to be given the truth and look around and find it yourself.
There is tall damage, but it is calculated and deliberate. Giving a fuck about what comes out of the mouths of puppets is still giving a fuck about something they want us to pay attention to.
Pay attention to real details, not the obviously fake ones that you can jerk off to for being smart enough to tell they're fake.
No problem there! There is plenty of geological evidence that the Earth has been much warmer for most of its existence. The Jurassic period, for example, was quite a bit warmer than today. In fact, there have only been a few colder times in Earth’s history compared to today. And ‘climate’, in the strictest sense, changes daily.
2) Demonstrate that “climate change” is manmade.
This is tougher, since we already know for a fact that the Earth has been through far warmer periods before man ever showed up. Indeed, evidence is mounting that an increase in CO2 is causing less extreme weather, not more.
3) Demonstrate that any changes, regardless of origin, happening now are man-reversible.
Good luck with that.
4) Demonstrate that they can be reversed, primarily, by crippling the American economy in particular, while nations like China and India continue polluting the planet at record rates.
My experience with the great lakes in my life time.
Yeah, the great lakes used to freeze for the whole winter and people drove across them in trucks...
It's been dacades since that happened. People around here used to ice fish. They don't anymore.
I used to be bitten by insects when I walked through wooded and wet areas, I don't anymore.
I used to see white all winter long, and now I'm lucky to see it for a week at a time.
How many large bodies of matter do I have to notice a difference in before your demands look shallow and irrelevant?
My proof is years of experience and the years of my families experience in nature, through generations.
Your disbelief is just convenient to your distaste for the people using climate change as a political tool.
Edit: I'm not here to prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, no one can actually do that. I'm simply sharing my experience. My observations are q peice of the puzzle, Not a complete explanation. I don't have that kind of experience yet. But evidently you have enough to insist that I need to meet your demands for my observations to be accurate. They are just the world from where I'm standing, and from here, things are notably more mild all around.
That's all good and dandy. I'm not really arguing for global warming. I'm arguing for deliberate climate change.
That's just my hunch. The fact that there is so much disagreement and disinformation implies, heavy handedly, that climate change has only to do with the simple and two dimensional concept of heating and cooling...
They can argue global warming because it's generally true over time. But it isn't what is causing what we're seeing.
They are distracting from something climate based, not only pushing a false narrative. From what? When there is no change in climate for most people it covers their lie, when there IS climate change they can pull out their false narrative, and continue to cover their lie while simultaneously pulling some shady shit.
I'm not going to jump on any band wagon view on these stances people like to take. This is what I think. I don't care much about your slightly bigger measuring stick in your 'measurements' that you'd like to site. Do your measurements read the room? Do they see body language, and convenience of the narrative pushers?
Keep denying climate change. That works to the convenience of the liars in question here. Unless you want to assume that politicians are bringing up the topic of climate change just to lie to us for no reason.
There's more here than just shallow political maneuvers. They can lie about anything to do that, why global warming?
Sorry for the ramblerant, and
thanks for the responses. I know this is all half baked. Not enough data all around. Just some of the things I've mulled over in repetition.
That's all good and dandy. I'm not really arguing for global warming. I’m arguing for deliberate climate change.
You’re literally talking about the same thing. Read 1984. Leftists use whatever words work for them in the moment.
I don't care much about your slightly bigger measuring stick in your 'measurements' that you'd like to site. Do your measurements read the room? Do they see body language, and convenience of the narrative pushers?
None of that matters. My measurements are fact.
Keep denying climate change. That works to the convenience of the liars in question here.
Uh, no, it works to the exact opposite effect.
Unless you want to assume that politicians are bringing up the topic of climate change just to lie to us for no reason.
And no, that’s not what anyone stated. In fact, it’s explicitly the opposite of what I proved.
There's more here than just shallow political maneuvers. They can lie about anything to do that, why global warming?
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Sameblamegame ago
Climate damage is still real. Keep downvoating without responding. I'm from the great lakes region and it used to be in winter you could drive a truck across the ice all winter long. To ice fish, to get to the islands, whatever. You can't do any of that for even one month anymore.
You're just a bunch of children butt hurt over the details. Of course we were lied to about climate change, it's deliberate. Climate change is deliberate. They don't want us knowing the real causes. That's why we only ever talk about carbon when it isn't even the leading problematic element in the equation.
Stop being mad that you're all too poor and stupid to be given the truth and look around and find it yourself.
There is tall damage, but it is calculated and deliberate. Giving a fuck about what comes out of the mouths of puppets is still giving a fuck about something they want us to pay attention to.
Pay attention to real details, not the obviously fake ones that you can jerk off to for being smart enough to tell they're fake.
Tallest_Skil ago
Reported for paid shilling.
1) Demonstrate “climate change” is real.
No problem there! There is plenty of geological evidence that the Earth has been much warmer for most of its existence. The Jurassic period, for example, was quite a bit warmer than today. In fact, there have only been a few colder times in Earth’s history compared to today. And ‘climate’, in the strictest sense, changes daily.
2) Demonstrate that “climate change” is manmade.
This is tougher, since we already know for a fact that the Earth has been through far warmer periods before man ever showed up. Indeed, evidence is mounting that an increase in CO2 is causing less extreme weather, not more.
3) Demonstrate that any changes, regardless of origin, happening now are man-reversible.
Good luck with that.
4) Demonstrate that they can be reversed, primarily, by crippling the American economy in particular, while nations like China and India continue polluting the planet at record rates.
And that’s where you lose your audience.
Sameblamegame ago
My experience with the great lakes in my life time.
Yeah, the great lakes used to freeze for the whole winter and people drove across them in trucks...
It's been dacades since that happened. People around here used to ice fish. They don't anymore.
I used to be bitten by insects when I walked through wooded and wet areas, I don't anymore.
I used to see white all winter long, and now I'm lucky to see it for a week at a time.
How many large bodies of matter do I have to notice a difference in before your demands look shallow and irrelevant?
My proof is years of experience and the years of my families experience in nature, through generations.
Your disbelief is just convenient to your distaste for the people using climate change as a political tool.
Edit: I'm not here to prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, no one can actually do that. I'm simply sharing my experience. My observations are q peice of the puzzle, Not a complete explanation. I don't have that kind of experience yet. But evidently you have enough to insist that I need to meet your demands for my observations to be accurate. They are just the world from where I'm standing, and from here, things are notably more mild all around.
Tallest_Skil ago
All I’m saying is that your anecdotes are not proof and are disproven by the actual measurements.
Sameblamegame ago
That's all good and dandy. I'm not really arguing for global warming. I'm arguing for deliberate climate change.
That's just my hunch. The fact that there is so much disagreement and disinformation implies, heavy handedly, that climate change has only to do with the simple and two dimensional concept of heating and cooling...
They can argue global warming because it's generally true over time. But it isn't what is causing what we're seeing.
They are distracting from something climate based, not only pushing a false narrative. From what? When there is no change in climate for most people it covers their lie, when there IS climate change they can pull out their false narrative, and continue to cover their lie while simultaneously pulling some shady shit.
I'm not going to jump on any band wagon view on these stances people like to take. This is what I think. I don't care much about your slightly bigger measuring stick in your 'measurements' that you'd like to site. Do your measurements read the room? Do they see body language, and convenience of the narrative pushers?
Keep denying climate change. That works to the convenience of the liars in question here. Unless you want to assume that politicians are bringing up the topic of climate change just to lie to us for no reason.
There's more here than just shallow political maneuvers. They can lie about anything to do that, why global warming?
Sorry for the ramblerant, and thanks for the responses. I know this is all half baked. Not enough data all around. Just some of the things I've mulled over in repetition.
Tallest_Skil ago
You’re literally talking about the same thing. Read 1984. Leftists use whatever words work for them in the moment.
None of that matters. My measurements are fact.
Uh, no, it works to the exact opposite effect.
And no, that’s not what anyone stated. In fact, it’s explicitly the opposite of what I proved.
To destroy Western civilization and ONLY Western civilization.
Sameblamegame ago
Your measurements are arbitrary by nature compared to you actually knowing, and having felt something with your own body.
Your facts require faith in people you've never met.
Tallest_Skil ago
Completely false. Read the fucking data.