In the following post I made on /v/worldpolitics, "Not a Single House Has Been Rebuilt One Year After Israeli War on Gaza", I had an Israeli apologist, one of the ones that are running rampant on many other forums, defending Israel and putting all the blame on the horrid condition that Palestinians live under solely on the Palestinians, i.e., 'Hamas for building tunnels'. Here is the user’s first comment to the above post:
At the same time, 500 tunnels were recently reportedly found on the Egypt/Palestine boarder, suggesting that any concrete that might have gone to homes was instead going to tunnels.
I'm not a big fan of Israel in terms of its relations with Palestine, but it seems to me that Hamas might be even worse...
The discussion finally led to me pointing out that Israel is committing genocide, which seemed to piss off the user, the way it does on many other forums, and a counter argument was made by the user that according to Google’s definition of genocide what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is not genocide. This is a counter argument that I have had to deal with many times in my life so I was prepared for it, and since it took me some time to put this together I thought I would provide the info for you guys so that when the same argument is made against you, you will have an appropriate response if you choose to use it. My reply was and has been on many other discussions like this as follows, to provide the definition of genocide as stated by the UN:
Google's definition of genocide! How about we use UN's definition of genocide? And it is genocide:
"[EDIT - see below]... I do not mince words, and in my opinion we are witnessing a slow genocide unfolding in real time. Unfortunately, this description of the bond that exists between these two peoples is not a well-accepted point of view in my corner of the world, understandably of course, because the word ‘Genocide’ implies so much (archive.org link)."
“The crime of genocide is defined in article II, the provision that sits at the heart of the Convention. Genocide is a crime of intentional destruction of a national, ethnic, racial and religious group, in whole or in part. Article II lists five punishable acts of genocide (Resolution 260 III).
a. Killing members of the group;
b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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“Nevertheless, alongside the legal definition of genocide, rooted in the 1948 Convention and confirmed in subsequent case law, there is a more popular or colloquial conception. In practice, this lay understanding of genocide is more akin to crimes against humanity, in that it comprises a broad range of mass atrocities.”
As well, it's obvious that you are a shill, and I do understand why you are doing it. It would be very difficult for me as well to admit that my people and my country are committing genocide, but you are. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but now that you know, what are you going to do about it? If you are a Zionist, now you cannot deny what you are doing, and if you are just a paid shill, then you know where you should go.
ps. Something special is going on VOAT, we're getting shills coming here now, which means that VOAT is on the radar of the same people that have taken over many other forums. Due diligence is now required on our part to prevent this virus from destroying this forum as well.
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Mumberthrax ago
While many of the other comments here are debating whether shills are real, if they're on voat, or whether this was a shill or not, I'd like to comment on your response.
I think you did a decent job of responding to the claim that genocide is not occurring in Palestine. You cited a source that the common person would find undeniably reputable on the subject, made relevant quotations including the items delineated in the UN resolution mentioned by your source.
I do want to address the first part of your quote, which i did not see in any of your linked sources, "As I stated, I do not..." Where is this quote from?
salvia_d ago
Glad you noticed, that first part is from my own blog post. I put together this info because I've had to use it many times and it was worth archiving. Unfortunately though since VOAT does not allow any posts to be submitted from blogspot I didn't provide that link. Here it is, not sure if VOAT will flag it though. You will be able to find the full post if you do a search for: "A Dinner Conversation: Israel and Armenia, Oppression and Genocides, Reality and Denials"
Mumberthrax ago
Ah I see. If I were your editor, I would advise you mention that you are quoting something you've written elsewhere previously, and maybe consider removing the "as i stated, " section of that initial sentence to avoid confusion.
salvia_d ago
Done, thanks.
Mumberthrax ago
lol, glad to be of assistance. xD