In the following post I made on /v/worldpolitics, "Not a Single House Has Been Rebuilt One Year After Israeli War on Gaza", I had an Israeli apologist, one of the ones that are running rampant on many other forums, defending Israel and putting all the blame on the horrid condition that Palestinians live under solely on the Palestinians, i.e., 'Hamas for building tunnels'. Here is the user’s first comment to the above post:
At the same time, 500 tunnels were recently reportedly found on the Egypt/Palestine boarder, suggesting that any concrete that might have gone to homes was instead going to tunnels.
I'm not a big fan of Israel in terms of its relations with Palestine, but it seems to me that Hamas might be even worse...
The discussion finally led to me pointing out that Israel is committing genocide, which seemed to piss off the user, the way it does on many other forums, and a counter argument was made by the user that according to Google’s definition of genocide what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is not genocide. This is a counter argument that I have had to deal with many times in my life so I was prepared for it, and since it took me some time to put this together I thought I would provide the info for you guys so that when the same argument is made against you, you will have an appropriate response if you choose to use it. My reply was and has been on many other discussions like this as follows, to provide the definition of genocide as stated by the UN:
Google's definition of genocide! How about we use UN's definition of genocide? And it is genocide:
"[EDIT - see below]... I do not mince words, and in my opinion we are witnessing a slow genocide unfolding in real time. Unfortunately, this description of the bond that exists between these two peoples is not a well-accepted point of view in my corner of the world, understandably of course, because the word ‘Genocide’ implies so much (archive.org link)."
“The crime of genocide is defined in article II, the provision that sits at the heart of the Convention. Genocide is a crime of intentional destruction of a national, ethnic, racial and religious group, in whole or in part. Article II lists five punishable acts of genocide (Resolution 260 III).
a. Killing members of the group;
b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
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“Nevertheless, alongside the legal definition of genocide, rooted in the 1948 Convention and confirmed in subsequent case law, there is a more popular or colloquial conception. In practice, this lay understanding of genocide is more akin to crimes against humanity, in that it comprises a broad range of mass atrocities.”
As well, it's obvious that you are a shill, and I do understand why you are doing it. It would be very difficult for me as well to admit that my people and my country are committing genocide, but you are. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but now that you know, what are you going to do about it? If you are a Zionist, now you cannot deny what you are doing, and if you are just a paid shill, then you know where you should go.
ps. Something special is going on VOAT, we're getting shills coming here now, which means that VOAT is on the radar of the same people that have taken over many other forums. Due diligence is now required on our part to prevent this virus from destroying this forum as well.
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salvia_d ago
I don't believe that the majority of the US is still pro-Israel, and I believe as time passes and the truth starts to filter more and more into the mainstream, more people are looking at Israel with disgust than anything else.
A shill does not necessarily have to be paid (I haven't looked up the official definition). A pro-Israeli-shill could be someone who supports the Zionist agenda, and there are many of this group on forums. They have an organization specifically set up for that.
PrivateJoker ago
Look into christian zionism and the Scofield bible revisions done in the late 19th/early 20th centuries to get the brain dead religious zealots in this country to support israel.
salvia_d ago
I know some of these fanatics, I met some of them in the early days of the born again christian movement during the 1980's. They are just as bad as any religious fanatic, even worse is some aspects since they have some serious military hardware.
PrivateJoker ago
I live in a VERY christian conservative area. Some of these people are just nitwits. I never met a creationist until moving here for example, they actually do exist and they will argue to the death that evolution is a fraud, science is our religion, and other nonsense all the while denying hard core proof about the age of the planet and dinosaurs.