Its silly that everyone acts like "its just a plant maaaaan"
It affects short term memory especially over a long time of smoking, and i read somewhere that it can damage development of yohr brain if you are too young. That said it should be legalized though. The medical therapys cannabis provides work waaaaay better than most other treatments
I love the argument that it can hurt developing brains. Nobody is advocating that people under 21 should be allowed to purchase/consume cannabis. Let's be honest with ourselves and just admit that it's probably easier for a high school kid to find weed than to find booze. And which one's legal?
Personally, I feel that the legal age for anything should be the legal age for enlisting in the military. If you can be trusted to end a life, you can be trusted with your own body.
Well i mean 21 isnt some special time where your brain just suddenly stops developing but you sre right no one is advocating for teens to smoke but that doesnt change the fact that cannabis affects the development of your brain. Its just something to keep in mind. Like i said though it should be legalized
It shouldn't be illegal to ingest any substance. People should be allowed to do whatever they want with their body as long as they are not hurting others.
Whether it is ingesting poison ivy, 15 banana's or a bathtub of saltwater.
I do believe in self ownership, this is an entirely different argument though.
When your parents apply for a Birth Certificate they are registering ownership of your Person (a Legal fiction) to the Government/Crown (I live in a country which is a member of the Commonwealth).
If you have no Birth Certificate then you remain a natural Human Being, you are owned by no one.
It's the same for owning a car, if a car is registered then the Government has the power to seize the car, to force you to maintain it (called a Warrant of Fitness in my country) or face prosecution.
When I was about 17 I started noticing the Laws we were expected to live by, some of them I didn't agree with but I still had to obey because I lived in the country where they were issued, before my birth. I had no say in the matter.
This never sit well with me, I supposedly lived in a Free country but had to live by a bunch of rules I had never been consented on, nor agreed to. How was this right?
These thoughts stayed with me but I was never particularly interested in Politics or Law.
Some years later my Dad showed me a YouTube video of a man called John Harris. I couldn't believe it. This guy had entered my mind, saw all the questions I had and answered them. It was confirmation bias but I was young an impressionable.
Needless to say I was enthralled by it all.
I hope watching this video leads other people onto the same (or similar, my experiences and ideas aren't necessarily right) voyage of discovery it did for me.
EDIT: @ /u/Decentralist I see now why you replied in the tone you did, I was asking him to defend his stance on "disagreeing with that Libertarian logic". I'm also a proponent of decriminalising/legalising most drugs. I'm not allowed to grow hemp in my country and it cannot be sold for Human consumption, I import a lot of food grade hemp (oil/seed) from the United States.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I apologize if I sounded confrontational, I had a feeling you would say you did believe in self-ownership.
When your parents apply for a Birth Certificate they are registering ownership of your Person (a Legal fiction) to the Government/Crown (I live in a country which is a member of the Commonwealth).
And if you look into contract theory, you'd know this is termed the "social contract", it has the distinction of being a non consenting contract, which would void a contract immediately in any tort/arbitration system.
So I choose to reject this as a contract. You sign contracts. You have the option of refusing them too.
I'll just say I'm an anarcho-capitalist. I believe governance can be achieved through voluntary market services, without the need or governments and monopolies.
I think John Harris makes a lot of great points, here's another great lecture, which goes into folk law, and how societies tend to police themselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez5-Gqi5bBQ
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RickySpanish ago
It's so silly that a plant is illegal.
Kuleaid ago
I feel the same way about borders for the most part. Or overblown social contracts for that matter.
jerry ago
Its silly that everyone acts like "its just a plant maaaaan"
It affects short term memory especially over a long time of smoking, and i read somewhere that it can damage development of yohr brain if you are too young. That said it should be legalized though. The medical therapys cannabis provides work waaaaay better than most other treatments
RickySpanish ago
Tobacco is much more harmful and kills more people than all illegal drugs combined
jerry ago
Yeah that shit should be banned
GrobGobGlobGrod ago
I love the argument that it can hurt developing brains. Nobody is advocating that people under 21 should be allowed to purchase/consume cannabis. Let's be honest with ourselves and just admit that it's probably easier for a high school kid to find weed than to find booze. And which one's legal?
MrHarryReems ago
Personally, I feel that the legal age for anything should be the legal age for enlisting in the military. If you can be trusted to end a life, you can be trusted with your own body.
jerry ago
Well i mean 21 isnt some special time where your brain just suddenly stops developing but you sre right no one is advocating for teens to smoke but that doesnt change the fact that cannabis affects the development of your brain. Its just something to keep in mind. Like i said though it should be legalized
id ago
Well idk, I can understand why they'd make it illegal to ingest poison ivy
rokococoa ago
It shouldn't be illegal to ingest any substance. People should be allowed to do whatever they want with their body as long as they are not hurting others.
Whether it is ingesting poison ivy, 15 banana's or a bathtub of saltwater.
id ago
Although I'm in favour of the legalisation of the major majority of drugs, I disagree with that Liberterian Logic
NoRagrets ago
Care to defend your stance?
That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
- Christopher Hitchens
Decentralist ago
Do you believe in self-ownership? I do.
The question if you don't is, who owns you if you don't own yourself?
(I would not think too hard about the concept of owning one's self lol, think of it as agency, we own our decisions, etcetera)
NoRagrets ago
I do believe in self ownership, this is an entirely different argument though.
When your parents apply for a Birth Certificate they are registering ownership of your Person (a Legal fiction) to the Government/Crown (I live in a country which is a member of the Commonwealth).
If you have no Birth Certificate then you remain a natural Human Being, you are owned by no one.
It's the same for owning a car, if a car is registered then the Government has the power to seize the car, to force you to maintain it (called a Warrant of Fitness in my country) or face prosecution.
It's the same for Home ownership.
Sources:
http://resistanceuk.webs.com/apps/blog/show/6926801-legalese-words-and-their-meanings
http://www.projectfreeman.com/registration.htm
When I was about 17 I started noticing the Laws we were expected to live by, some of them I didn't agree with but I still had to obey because I lived in the country where they were issued, before my birth. I had no say in the matter.
This never sit well with me, I supposedly lived in a Free country but had to live by a bunch of rules I had never been consented on, nor agreed to. How was this right?
These thoughts stayed with me but I was never particularly interested in Politics or Law.
Some years later my Dad showed me a YouTube video of a man called John Harris. I couldn't believe it. This guy had entered my mind, saw all the questions I had and answered them. It was confirmation bias but I was young an impressionable.
Needless to say I was enthralled by it all.
I hope watching this video leads other people onto the same (or similar, my experiences and ideas aren't necessarily right) voyage of discovery it did for me.
EDIT: @ /u/Decentralist I see now why you replied in the tone you did, I was asking him to defend his stance on "disagreeing with that Libertarian logic". I'm also a proponent of decriminalising/legalising most drugs. I'm not allowed to grow hemp in my country and it cannot be sold for Human consumption, I import a lot of food grade hemp (oil/seed) from the United States.
Decentralist ago
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I apologize if I sounded confrontational, I had a feeling you would say you did believe in self-ownership.
And if you look into contract theory, you'd know this is termed the "social contract", it has the distinction of being a non consenting contract, which would void a contract immediately in any tort/arbitration system.
So I choose to reject this as a contract. You sign contracts. You have the option of refusing them too.
I'll just say I'm an anarcho-capitalist. I believe governance can be achieved through voluntary market services, without the need or governments and monopolies.
I think John Harris makes a lot of great points, here's another great lecture, which goes into folk law, and how societies tend to police themselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez5-Gqi5bBQ
Cheers!
Decentralist ago
Who should tell us what to put in our bodies?
If we can't trust ourselves we shouldn't trust organizations known to be untrustworthy. You're entitled to your opinion but it's a stupid one IMO.
vargo_voat ago
I would toss you an upgoat if I had any more to give.