This one.

You?

After the heart starts beating 19 to 22 days, its murder.

I'm saying I don't believe anyone should be charged and convicted of a serious crime without proof and evidence making a case beyond reasonable doubt.

I'm also saying that if there IS such evidence then the fact other people lie makes no difference to the ability of the victim, police or prosecutor to bring the case.

YOU on the other hand, seem to think that evidence or proof are not required, and we should just cuntin' 'believe' whamen? No, FUCK you, bring me the evidence? No evidence, no proof? Then get the fuck out.

Which part of that are you having difficulty with?

I've personally never been against abortion, as I think there are too many fucking people already. Regardless, I've also never thought anyone who wasn't prolife had an actual argument to make aside from these exceedingly rare exceptions.

Either way I don't care, same with the death penalty. The moral arguments are clear, but I'm always pro- "less people."

Some of the most extreme laws like complete banning and no exemptions are being set up for SCOTUS arguements. Listen if we are going to be consistent with our principals we have to argue legally a life is a life and no one can just decided to kill it or stop it. If we allow the exemptions then it just weakens our case and strengthens their case. Like any good Jew would they would try to find somewhere to gain an inch and take a foot.

"Oh so you'll kill retards in the womb so thats where you draw the line; what if ..."

"What about muh incest!"

So they'll jus ttry to tee up the worst possible scenario to get you to capitulate. And half the time we do because we are too nice and reasonable.

No incest/rape abortion to appease Muslims because they do rape and incest all the time.

All of these problems can easily be solved by taking away the woman's right to choose. If she's married, her husband decides. If she's not, her father decides. If he's dead, her brother decides, or her uncle, or grandfather, or whatever male is at the head of her family.

I seriously doubt very many people care about the life of an 8 week old fetus. Some mega-christcucks do I'm sure, but not most normal people.

What people care about is stopping women from acting like disgusting dirty whores. Step 1 is to remind them that their reproductive organs are not theirs to control.

This common line takes for granted that abortions only harm one person when they murder the child. Did you consider that abortion is fundamentally harmful to the mother?

Of course, to the pea-brain of the metaphysical atheist, the unseen doesn't exist (out-of-sight, out-of-mind). By the hippocratic oath, a doctor should do no harm; yet we have plenty of professed physicians spending their lives poisoning and mutilating their patients, don't we?

Honk honk.

Women wanting an abortion will simply be claiming rape/incest.

I'm gonna rape @forget-me-not now.

For science.

In the cases of rape/incest there are two victims. The mother and the child. The child didn't ask to be born, you know. It's unfortunate the case that the mother is in, but you can't just kill the baby thinking this somehow fixes the wounds of the mother. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Bullshit argument, straw-man used by the left. If you've been raped, report to the police, see the doctor, take plan B. Same if you've experienced forced incest. Call CPS as well, you're out of there in a heartbeat without any proof necessary. They want to murder the unborn, and they use these fringe cases to force the opposition to divide and compromise. No abortion, ever, under any circumstances, is ever justified.

Along with what some others have said, there's no sense executing the child for the sins of its father.

At the March for Life every year, there are people holding signs which read "I was conceived by rape". The child is innocent.

It's conceivable that impregnation was the aim of the assault, not just defilement. On that basis, the woman's right to choose should be involved. Part of the principle of invading forces is to conquer the reproductive aspect of a host and kill any offspring present.

Don't promote a topic which was decided nearly 50 years ago and it's now being used as a distraction from what REALLY matters like some kind of MSM punk.

I think that title sounds like it's pot stirring.

Only niggers rape. So the bill forces white women to bear black rape babies. It's absolutely unacceptable.

Incest is just as bad for obvious reasons. No sane woman wants to keep a baby born of violence and trauma. Not to mention how seriously that fucks with epigenetics.

I think you have to be a retard to not know that this is political right wing posturing. They're using peoples religious convictions to gain points for themselves and the democrats are pretending that they're against it for their own points. This will be thrown out in the supreme court asap. It's all theatre.

The morning after pill works for a few days after such a thing.

I just want to thank you for starting this conversation, lots of interesting reading here.

They are not stopping the use of the morning after pill for rape. As far as incest goes, castration for the perpetrator works 100% but only after the fact.

Which case in particular are you referencing? All of them that I've seen have those provisions.

I think abortions should be publicly funded, free and celebrated for niggers but absolutely prohibited to whites except in cases of rape. This includes the pill.

Rape fetuses deserve to live!

Why are 11 year olds being raped in the 1st place?

I think that every action has a reaction so if one state is going to legalize murder, the other state is going to regulate birth. This all leads to Roe v Wade being overturned and me LOLing at all the Leftist shits that started breaking promises and lying. Like when they said that abortion wouldn't be killing living, breathing babies. Or when they said gay rights were gonna stay in the bedroom. They took shit too far and now I'm pro Life out of spite.

Fetuses conceived through rape and/or incest are still people, and thus have the right to not be killed.

If my wife or daughter were to be raped and impregnated, the second person I'd kill would be the person that prevented them from having an abortion.

Is it ok to kill a rape baby or incest baby? That should be your answer for if it's ok to "abort" a late-term fetus. The conversation on abortion should be about at what stage in development it becomes immoral to kill a fetus, ranging from conception to birth. Everyone has an opinion that falls within this window. Unfortunately, most people are idiots. A zygote is just as immoral to kill as a sperm cell or skin cell. A baby due in five minutes is just as immoral to kill as a baby born five minutes ago. Maybe it's a line, maybe it's a gradient, but a policy regarding which (if any) almost-mothers to arrest for murder seeks to draw a line. When a line is drawn on a gradient, which governments do all the time, the line should be drawn in a conservative place because it's already bad policy.

All abortions should be legal in the first 3 months.

Do you really want to create a black market or have a mother like that forging the future? More poor people and niggers and fatherless kids?

Just let it be and regulate it. It is one of those things that will always be around and that if you don't control will be worst operating in the shadows

after 6 weeks, no exceptions.

I agree. Very few cases where i think abortion is ok. Rape, incest, and genetic flaws, especially heritable. Cant allow bad genes to weaken the species.

I don't think kids should be born unwanted, without a home and family to go home to, or as punishment for the parents. Birth control is obviously preferable, but it's too late for a condom if someone's already pregnant. I don't see it being any more complicated than that.

Related, I think either parent should be able to forfeit parental rights prenatally. Women wouldn't be able to trap a man into paying for a child he didn't want, and probably sooner than people think, a baby the mother doesn't want could be transferred alive into an artificial womb supported by the father. Aborting a baby she knows the father wants and has the ability to support in this way would be a crime. I don't know how far the ability to extend forfeiture should extend, or what restrictions should be on it after birth, but before birth there's no reason to make it a pain in the ass.

Also, no abortion means more niggers of every kind.

Yes, it's bad news.

I think it Is criminal that abortion laws recently passed allows the murder of healthy full term infants.

In healthy society it will be ok to abort ONLY for health reasons which can include trauma on mind and body

Imagine being forced to carry some nigger rape baby to term, absolutely disgusting, the people who passed these laws should be raped

Listen, I think it's great that you're championing the 1%. I think it's important that we find common ground with liberals like you and now that you're here to defend the top 1%. But considering these types of abortions happen less than 1% of the time its incredibly irrelevant. If it was something like abortion was so rare these were like, 50% of the abortions being done the VAST MAJORITY of us would have no problem with that exception whatsoever.

As it stands, it's time to start hurting the monstrously evil organization of Planned Parenthood. And with an enemy that unbelievably evil there can be no exceptions. I'd say sorry but I'm really not. You have the audacity to show up and say we should be compassionate baby murderers and we want to tell you this as explicitly as possible: NO MORE TAX DOLLARS FOR BABY MURDER

when you have to argue the exception, you are already admitting that the rule is right. e.g. There is a law against murder, but the exception is self-defense. Nobody would argue that all murder should be allowed because of this exception. In the case of rape/incest, it is a rare exception. Most abortions are for convenience. But let's look at the rule of abortion. Why is it being made illegal? Because it is murder of an innocent being. Is the child of a rape or incest an innocent person? Yes. So is the abortion of that child also the murder of an innocent person. Yes. Murdering that baby does not undo the rape or incest, and it does nothing to harm the perpetrator. Thus these exceptions should not be allowed Should a woman be permitted to kill a rapist? Yes, of course. But the baby did not commit a crime.

Focusing on rape/incest abortions is like focusing on tranny fags. It's such a minuscule percentage that it's obviously a distraction issue. Remember that women fake claim rape all of the time especially when it's to access government gibs and sympathy to make up for their poor decision making.

All that would need to happen is if you are raped by a stranger or family, you have to report it within 24 hours. That generates a report and a record. Thos is then the only 'ticket's or 'excuse' for getting an abortion.

Additionally, Plan B should be given when the rape is reported, largely negating the need for any rape abortions.

I think if people are allowed to kill babies, and we're going to keep it legal because "the women don't want the children", then I have every goddamn right to start killing adult Jews, niggers, spics, etc. because "I don't want the non-whites".

Same logic.

Either make infanticide illegal and punishable by death, or make killing immigrants, niggers, spics, Jews, mudslimes and all other non-whites legal.

It's either one or the other. This shit is all a zero-sum game.

The child is a innocent party in all of the regardless of how it was conceived it should not be murdered.

why not go the same way as israel where you have to apply to a committee, present your reasons and get official permission to have the abortion. Seems to work for (((them))).

Look if Alabama aborts every incestuous fetus the population is gonna shrink fast

I think that abortion should be MANDATORY in the case of rape. Behavior is genetic and I'd like to see rape go extinct.

The exception to the rule is not the rule

"Sponsors of the bill, which was signed into law by Republican Gov. Kay Ivey Wednesday evening, say the lack of exceptions is necessary to get the ban in front of the Supreme Court, where it could result in the overturning of Roe v. Wade." Vox.

I think a rape victim should be allowed to kill all of the rapists' children, just to eliminate the genes from the gene pool.

Most rape wouldn't happen without legal abortion. Women put themselves at risk because they know they have a backup plan. Pretending to be concerned about rape is just another Orwellian leftist meme. Conservatives cuck out the hardest when they fall for it.

As for incest, everyone is inbred to some, well, degree. It's not a real issue. Freak cases of incest are a rounding error, and even then do not usually result in potato offspring. And if they did, it's no justification for abortion either.

The child is innocent. Take the morning after pill or give the baby up for adoption at birth.

Muh muh muh rape victimmz

Murder is murder. Infanticide is what Molech (Jew god) demands.

Yeah fuck that. I would never have a nigger child. Only way that would even be a possibility is if I were raped.

Rape is such a small percentage of abortions though. If you want to save child lives than support more girls carrying guns to prevent rape.

I don't really care though. I don't care much about abortions one way or another since majority of women who get them are minorities. Any white babies are highly coveted for adoption so no point in aborting them for a number of reasons.

I have come to view it as this:

The relationship between concepts of objective morality, which we know exist, and the application of such concepts via laws and other social measures in reality is not always direct.

For example, in Mathematics the concept of 10 exists. However if you were working on an engineering project and I asked you to cut me a piece of lumber 10 feet long, you probably couldn't do it. It would be 10.1', 10.001', or 10.000000001' but technically not the number I told you. In the end though, you need to get this project done so you need a piece of lumber as close to 10' as possible. Even if you were not able to fulfill the instructions.

In cases of abortion via rape/incest it doesn't mean the act of abortion suddenly becomes moral. After all we can deduce thru reason and evidence why such an action is immoral. It's just we have a situation where we fall short of achieving a perfect relationship between objective concepts of morality and their application in daily life.

Ultimately, we should look deeper at the causes that lead us to these to these terrible scenarios so we may prevent them. In the same way an engineer continues develop better and better tools so he can cut a piece of lumber closer and closer to the ten feet requested of him

I don't agree. I think the problem is that it also bans the morning after pill.

The correct procedure after being raped, if you survive, is to call the police, and then go to hospital. At the hospital, they should administer after-care treatment and prescribe a morning after pill and a course of anti-retrovirals. This should nearly eliminate the chance of getting pregnant from a rape.

I do think a lot of these new laws are too restrictive. I don't know where the right point is, no one really does though the life-begins-at-conception fundamentalists at least have a consistent position (fundamentalism often has that advantage). If life doesn't magically happen at conception, why should we believe that life magically begins upon passing through the birth canal? Furthermore, the recent law in New York State (perhaps elsewhere) that allows a healthy, live-birthed "fetus" to be killed outside the body certainly seems like a bridge too far to my (admittedly, above, subjective and arguably arbitrary) ethics. In that sense, these restrictive laws (which will likely be walked back) form a counterbalance to the leftward Overton Window expansion. It's my hope that a reasonable compromise will result, though unfortunately more likely is a continued move towards two extremes with louder and more violent rhetoric from each side.

okay but what if a black man rapes your white daughter.... you gonna raise that kid or abort it ya fuckin cucks?

Abortion drastically lowers the nigger population. Outlawing it hurts law abiding citizens as well as the white population. The nicest and rape thing is about as stupid as making it illegal to begin with so it’s not a surprise

If you have a rape exemption false rape accusations will skyrocket. Many innocent men will be punished. Also why should the child be punished for the rape? If the mother does not want the child he can be given up for adoption. This thing is never going to be perfect, there's no way to make everybody happy. You just try to get as close as you can to what is morally correct .

Its unheard of. So a nice young lady gets raped by a filthy nigger and she is now forced to raise that niglet as her own and care for it? Fuck that. Its disgusting.

If you get pregnant from rape then god obviously needed you to get pregnant RIGHT NOW.

to get an abortion is thwarting gods will.

Nope. Don't punish the babies for the evils of the parents.

NUMBERS DAMMIT!

I'm tired of these arguments without data, how many women have rape babies and incest babies in the US?

Are we talking 10 people per year or 10,000 per year?

Numbers matter, just like this trans bullshit, it is a tiny group of people inflicting their world view in the majority.

Yes it sucks for them but a rape baby can be given up for adoption, it's harder and sucks but it is legit.

That rape baby did nothing wrong.

Rape is a great rhetorical prybar to use against anti-abortion legislation.

To get an abortion you would need to prove it was rape. Either that's as simple as a checkbox, and people will just lie (rendering the legislation ineffective), or the attempt to prove it was rape is thorough, but you only have 5 weeks until the baby's heart starts beating so you can't be that thorough.

Abortion is one of those issues with no easy answer, even though it sounds like it has multiple easy answers. So it's a fucking perfect talking point for the left/right politicians to play out their kayfabe on.

The left gets to pump their base up by saying they're crusaders in the field of women's rights and just need abortions to be legal, cheap, and accessible.

The right gets to pump their base up by saying they're fighting baby slaughter and need to get rid of abortions.

The complexity of the issue guarantees that we'll always be somewhere between the two, so yelling about abortion is nearly always a safe bet.

I think it will lead to a bigger nigger problem as there's no other reforms that are being talked about.

Of course, the crazies on the right in the GOPe always do this. They go straight for Roe v Wade instead of the easier victories instead of building up to that. They will lose in the courts and then at the ballot boxes which will drive the leftists to ask for another inch while taking several miles.

Enjoy your albatrosses you fucking cucks.

My opinion, serves them right. We’ve got liberal little white girls fucking pakis and niggers up and down the country here in the UK. Having dick sucking competitions in secondary school, you know the sort. They’ve ruined themselves and this country.

This law will make it so they have to live with the consequences, not us. Wanna fuck about? Your paying, not the tax payer or the neighbour hood, it’s you this time. Serves them right for destroying so many communities for they’re multiculturalism and perversions. Knew it would all catch up with them one day.

White women have more coloureds baby’s than they do white guys baby’s nowadays, and they’ve been doing this for some time. With these laws passed, the white guy doesn’t have to pick up the bill for the dirty little sluts and they’re 3 baby “daddy” homes, they will have too.

Knew women where they my equal from day one. This will teach them the error of they’re ways. Too little too late if you ask me, but it’s about time. They’re future is different to ours, so they should pay for it, not us.

Get some bitchs. Get some...

It's an emotional argument.

Here is a rational argument: once a person exists, killing him or her is murder and nobody has the right to do that.

I support abortion in the first trimester regardless. Let me rephrase, I support keeping it legal. I'm against any white woman killing her fetus, unless it's ectopic. But no one well ever ban the removal of an ectopic fetus. They cannot become viable anyway.

If a woman doesn't figure out she is pregnant in 13 weeks after being raped, she should be thrown in a wood chipper. Dollar store sells 2 pack Prego tests that are 100 reliable once enough hcg is being produced. Which is well before any first trimester cutoff could be.

The whole pro-life argument is that life begins at conception, or, at the very least, when the fetus has a heartbeat. If you start putting any conditions on the value of that life, like the life doesn't matter if it was from incest, or the life doesn't matter if it was from rape, then you are saying that only some life matters.

That gives the left an out. They can say, well, you only think it's a life that is worthy of protection in certain instances, so they will continue to add more and more conditions on when it is a 'life' until you wind right back where we are, where partial-birth 3rd term abortion is legal in New York.

The reason we have that is because our society is built on radical individualism, basically the reason for this is, is "just because the father was a rapist and a terrible person doesn't mean the offspring". There should be abortions allowed for this reason because the degenerate doesn't deserve to propagate their genes, whiles other don't.

Psychopaths make all our laws. That's why every law manages to pick out innocent people and destroy them.

These sick fucks attack the victims of the worst crimes deliberately.

We should be calling them out for this pathological behaviour that will cost rape victims their lives and sanity.

Rape and incest cases are less than 1% of all abortions. If we keep that in, women would just lie about rape, kind of like they already do.

I think that fringe cases such as rape and incest we used by the Left to justify mass abortions in the first place, and that women would lie about the sexual act in question to facilitate the murder of children, just as happened in Roe vs. Wade in the United States.

While I personally consider killing the product of rape to be a reasonable action in the same way as I consider killing people who trespass in my home to be a reasonable action, I would consider the rational approach to abortion to be to place strong, universal pressure against it in all cases, then for society to turn a blind eye to the fringe cases where women are willing to act against both law andsocial pressure to kill their child regardless, since those are likely the cases with extenuating circumstances.

We had this shit all figured out. Good reasonable lines were drawn. Abortions were allowed with a very long leash. Generally it was aimed for 1st term abortions no/few questions asked, 2nd term abortions if mothers health is at risk, rape/incest exemptions, and birth defect exemptions, 3rd term only if mothers life is at risk.

But holy shit did they take abortion too damn far. There's the saying "give them an inch, they'll take a mile.". They demanded the mile of 3rd term baby murder, selling dismantled babies, and getting so bad that over half of pregnancies (in many American communities)... Things when from begrudgingly pro-choice, to openly pro-choice, to pro-abortion, to pro-dead babies...

Alabama and all these other states are just taking the inch back. Can't use abortions responsibly? No more abortions. There are 101 ways to prevent pregnancies so abortions shouldn't even be needed, but that's not enough.

Leftists ate going to get a lot of things repealed because they took it to such a massive extreme that it's forcing us to redraw those lines in the sand.

I can back a rape/incest exemption, but only if the rapist is then tried for murder. Thompson's Violinist argument would justify an abortion in such a case.

The holier than thou assholes need to stop forcing their opinion on others just like the left extremists do.

Forcing a woman to bear her rapists child is some Muslim tier shit. Same for incest, especially given how much of it Muslims commit.

Your mom was raped and now they will kill you. Is that okay?

The pendulum has swung.

I think it's terrible the recent laws in New York were so crazy they forced the hand of the conservatives to make such crazy laws in response.

Give the child up for adoption. The issue is that the mother will have to go through labor? This is a life.

I don't really give a shit about abortion myself since I believe in eugenics and mass sterilization at the least, but to play devil's advocate - it's still an innocent child, the kid didn't rape her, it's just a baby. And he or she is still being killed.