Clinton Body count rises - "suicide" of Canadian pharmaceutical billionaires (pizzagate)

submitted ago by Eggs-Vs-Bacon

Pizzagate because Clinton. Involves the Clinton Foundation and HAITI.

Barry Sherman and his wife Honey - Canadian billionares re Apotex Pharmaceuticals - were found hanged in their home by a realtor. Police are investigating. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5185511/Canadian-police-probe-suspicious-death-billionaire.html

The Shermans were under investigation for a liberal fundraiser scandal. https://globalnews.ca/news/3030352/liberal-fundraisers-being-investigated-by-lobbying-watchdog/

HAITI CONNECTION! Clinton connection: https://cotocrew.wordpress.com/2017/12/16/who-killed-barry-and-honey-sherman-and-why/ "Sherman was one of the most powerful and highly-connected men in North America and was perhaps most well-known for securing a deal with the Clinton Foundation during to provide vaccines in Haiti. In September 2014, in response to the spread of the chikungunya virus in Haiti, Apotex worked with the humanitarian organization Direct Relief to donate more than $2.2 million in medical aid to the country. Apotex struck a deal with the Clintons’ Direct Relief organization to provide drugs to treat victims of the virus, saying in a statement: “Apotex is in a position to help (in Haiti), and we are delighted to work with Direct Relief…” Apotex worked with Direct Relief in Haiti, who was a “particularly active” member of the Clinton Foundation/Clinton Global Initiative community, supporting post-hurricane “relief efforts” there. The huge pharmaceutical company airlifted vaccinations and medical supplies into Haiti that was funded through charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation and other connected charities."

According to the Health and Human Rights Journal https://www.hhrjournal.org/2013/08/a-one-time-only-combination-emergency-medicine-exports-under-canadas-access-to-medicines-regime/ there is a clear connection between Apotex and the Clinton Foundation

Read the article but this is the pertinent part

MSF had been conducting talks with a number of developing countries to encourage them to make use of the mechanism, but all efforts had been unsuccessful until Apotex was put in touch with the Clinton Foundation, which led Apotex to Rwanda.70

In discussion with MSF, developing countries reported that they did not wish to self-identify because of pressure from pharmaceutical firms and the World Bank.71 Unless a country self-identifies, generic firms are not able to obtain a voluntary or compulsory license, so the process stalls. For months, until Rwanda came forward, it appeared as if no drugs would ever be produced under CAMR. In fact, facilitation by the Clinton Foundation followed on that foundation’s discussion with the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network at the 2006 XVI International AIDS conference in Toronto regarding use of the legislation

Here's a photo of the pool where they were found. Those railings don't seems like and effective choice for a noose. Also weird coincidence with discussion of Vanderbilt pool https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2294089 which actually began in this thread yesterday - which is the day the Shermans were found dead. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2291627

https://ibb.co/fjaBLR

or scroll through photos here to find it https://www.remax.ca/on/toronto-real-estate/na-50-old-colony-rd-na-crea_id18892572-lst/

InnocentAngels ago

They are now believed to have been targeted and murdered. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42840505

The_Warrior_Thunder ago

Yes this was in Toronto. I knew right away, this was no suicide.

ESOTERICshade ago

Maybe Bill got the housekeeper pregnant and had her killed.

http://directfromusanews.com/2018/01/20/latest-dead-body-tied-clintons-turns-valuable-evidence/

Latest Dead Body Tied To The Clintons Turns Up Valuable Evidence

On January 20, 2018

Another body found in a shallow grave in Arkansas has been tied to the Clintons. Marcia Ann Bosley, who was the head housekeeper at the Governor’s Mansion before she was mysteriously let go in 1985, has been positively identified after spending more than 3 decades in the ground.

Bosley, who had no family when she was let go, was assumed to have left the area for other opportunities. She was never reported missing. According to the Hamilton County Coroner:

“The body was wrapped so well in plastic thast much of the tissue is still intact. We were able to extract 2 DNA samples. We’ve determined that one was an unborn child. That could be huge in determining who else was a part of this young woman’s life.”

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

Wow. Captain Obvious is the star of this piece of news. The only question would be how to legally compare Bill's DNA with the unborn child's.

ESOTERICshade ago

The only question would be how to legally compare Bill's DNA with the unborn child's.

Yep :)

FE_Rebekah ago

From the second article, “Ethics commissioner Mary Dawson says the fundraisers give rise to the appearance of unfair access to cabinet ministers but there’s nothing in the current conflict-of-interest legislation prohibiting such events.”

So yeah, uh, we know it looks bad, but our rule book says it’s fine. 🙄

Wasn’t this the DNC excuse they used? 🙄

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

Exactly! As above, so below? lol. It's the same thing Hildebeast was doing as SoS for sure. Of course UraniumOne is the prime example of this and it involved Frank G. Still wish I could find a hard tie between Frank and the Shermans...

21yearsofdigging ago

The bad ones, the Deletes, can get away with ANYTHING in Canada! RCMP work as their goon squad. The Reitmans, Bronfmans, Robert Lantos, hell, they can do as they please. The Hells Angels work for them. Just one big pile of shit and the world can't see it. Got a pedophile politician from Europe whose is in trouble? Geez, where to send him?? Oh yeah, Canada. People there are too stupid to ever figure it out. Sorry Canadians but if you are truthful you know what I mean. They stomped me like bug up here and EVERYONE played along. I had evidence of my children being threatened. had evidence of my ex wife's paper trail collecting my life insurance. Just one big shit show! Lionsgate washes money for the cabal then turns around and programs the children! Snuff films, The Pickton farm...nothing EVER gets done. How many politicians exposed for pedophilia. NONE. Lame lame lamest!!! Want to get away with murder, shit, do it in Canada. They own the police, the governments, the whole friggin country!!! My bet, there may have been some decency with the Shermans and they didn't like what the Clinton Foundation was up to! The drugs they sent to help the people of Haiti were NOT being used!! The Shermans thought, because of their wealth, they had a right to speak out! WRONG!! Not in Canada

Truthseeker3000 ago

Yep, Canada’s FCKED. I have a close friend up there who tells me everything. The Hells Angels in BC Canada are the worst. They all work the ports, full patch Hells Angels, many of them, working the ports full clearance, they’re even in the union, getting friends hired. Gee, wonder why they have such a drug problem up there? The Pickton Farm had Male DNA not just female DNA and then it was shut down, no further inquiries. The higher up cops are Freemasons and yes the Hells Angels work for the Freemasons as some of them are also. Beyond dirty in British Columbia Canada. Would be interesting to know where they hold their sacrificial ceremonies.

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

I had no idea the extent of the corruption there.

Good call on mentioning Lionsgate! Yet another creepy Frank G enterprise that keeps cropping up.

If you're Canadian, are you aware of anything strange happening in the Selkirk mountain area?

The28th ago

Does anyone have a link to the most recent, updated Clinton Body Bag list ... The author Victor Thorn who wrote many books about the Clintons ie Hillary (and Bill) The Murders, The Sex and The Drugs was found 'suicided' on his 54th birthday, 1 Aug 2016.

Are_we_sure ago

UPDATE! Police confirm the couple was MURDERED

Police didn't say this. PIs hired by the family did.

Billionaire couple from Toronto was murdered by multiple people, private investigators say

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/01/21/billionaire-couple-from-toronto-was-murdered-by-multiple-people-private-investigators-believe/?utm_term=.a8c682920143

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

ex police - I already corrected myself.

HugoWeaving ago

DEAD COUPLE (Apotex Pharma) --> Direct Relief in Haiti --> Clinton Foundation

Less than 3 degrees of separation.

Vindicator ago

I just made a new "Confirmed" flair for just these types of investigative wins :-)

Are_we_sure ago

How in your mind is this confirmed?

Madwack ago

These are fact except one, noted at the bottom.

-The pyramids lie at the speed of light: 299792458 m/s (coordinates: 29.9792458N, 31.1342E)

-The "Egyptians" (people who lived on this Earth for well over a million years before [the entity that made the universe] annihilated them) knew and used the meter!

  • 6.2831 meters (2 pi) are equal in length to 12 Egyptian Royal Cubits - each one is 0.5236 meters (to the accuracy of 1/10th of a millimeter)

-This means that a circle with a radius of 1 meter has a circumference of exactly 12 Egyptian Royal Cubits (accuracy beyond modern tolerances for building construction)

-breaking intuition with regards to degrees of freedom, the Egyptian Royal Cubit is also defined as such:

-0.5236 meters (the length of Egyptian Royal Cubit) = 3.1416 (pi) meters - 2.6180 (phi^2) meters

This is not fact - [the entity that made the universe]

12800 years ago a comet wiped them out.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago

They're true. These are clearly murders that people have uncovered. IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS after 5 years, but what people like you don't see is that stickied posts like this are used to place Pizzagate (the revelation that the world is run by Satanists- literal worshipers of Iblis, "the rejected one") within the lexicon of a single political party so that half of the population will summarily block out any discussion about the topic. Democrats will hear "child sacrifice" and stop listening based on brainwashing. This is part of the brainwashing, the bifurcation of information streams.

-- THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES

-The pyramids lie at the speed of light: 299792458 m/s (coordinates: 29.9792458N, 31.1342E)

-The "Egyptians" (people who lived on this Earth for well over a million years before [the entity that made the universe] annihilated them) knew and used the meter!

- 6.2831 meters (2 pi) are equal in length to 12 Egyptian Royal Cubits - each one is 0.5236 meters (to the accuracy of 1/10th of a millimeter)

-This means that a circle with a radius of 1 meter has a circumference of exactly 12 Egyptian Royal Cubits (accuracy beyond modern tolerances for building construction)

-breaking intuition with regards to degrees of freedom, the Egyptian Royal Cubit is also defined as such:

-0.5236 meters (the length of Egyptian Royal Cubit) = 3.1416 (pi) meters - 2.6180 (phi^2) meters

In summary, most of the human history you know is a lie. It is patently false. It is demonstrably false. I have given you the proof. Take it to your professor, your student, your friend. It's not political. It proves to them that everything they know about our history is HORSESHIT. Show them. Understand it first.

druhill007 ago

You should link people to that epic post you had

Madwack ago

Great FACTS and there is so much more......

Want to learn more.........

https://voat.co/v/AlternativeHistory

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

@Vindicator @Millenial_Falcon - is there any way to bump this? We called it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5293545/Billionaire-couple-hanging-said-killed.html

UPDATE The couple was murdered!

Vindicator ago

Sure. I upvoated and gave it a potential lead flair. I'm also going to sticky this an have you update this original submission with quotes from the new article, adding a second "UPDATE: We called it etc etc." headline at the top of the body of the post below the original headline to give it new attention. I think it's important to acknowledge our victories.

Make sure you're viewing Voat's desktop (not mobile site), type your headline, select it, and click the formatting button that has an "H" on it (#10). Or, type two ## at the beginning of the line you want to change to a headline, no spaces between them and the first word.

You can ping folks in who haven't commented to ask them to upvoat to raise it higher in the "Top" rankings.

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

wow tyvm! This is heating up. **> Sources say investigators found the Shermans, side by side, in their windowless pool room, each with a men’s leather belt wrapped around their necks and tied to the pool railing. Both had on jackets that were pulled “behind their backs” and rolled down over their arms.

It is believed the camera in the pool area had been disconnected.**

jealoushe ago

and of course no one believes it could be anything other than murder-suicide...

jealoushe ago

The RCMP for the most part won't cover up for the US, or Clintons. It will be interesting what comes of this.

turitelle ago

Sure they will. Those cops are just as crooked as any other ones. Unfortunate, but true.

Truthseeker3000 ago

The “RCMP” are a joke as they are made up of Free Masons higher up so nothing happens, charges get dropped. The news already said the deaths are not suspicious. Yeah right, two people dead, not suspicious at all.

SoldierofLight ago

So as I was trying to fall asleep last night, I kept thinking about this case. They don't say much in the article except that the cops "think" he killed her first, then hung her, then hung himself. Doesn't make sense.

  1. How did he supposedly kill her first? If he shot her, then why go to the trouble of faux hanging her and then hanging himself, supposing he could manage to do that with those awkward pool railings. There are trees on the property. Why not use a tried and true method?
  2. She had to of been dead before going into the noose, because why would you voluntarily do that unless you didn't think you were going to die? For instance, erotic asphyxiation, or someone forces you to do it with a gun to your head and you try to buy time by complying. Still, if someone wanted to hang her, why not do it from something less awkward than a flimsy pool railing?
  3. She was not a small woman. He was an older guy. How the hell did he drag her body into position in the pool and then put the noose around her to faux hang her? He wouldn't of had to hang himself, he would have died first from a heart attack.

Conclusions:

  1. If someone killed those two, they could have done it much easier with a few bullets to the head, or if they're into hangings, from a tree.

  2. The "death by hanging" was a message. Eye for an eye. Hang them from street poles.

  3. Either someone wanted to send a message to child rapists, murderers, and torturers that they will be assassinated for what they have done, or the Cabal is setting it up to look like street justice is occurring. Think CPP and the "street justice shooter." If it's the latter, expect to see more eye for an eye styled murder/suicide and suicides.

TupacsTattoo ago

I was thinking potentially they may have talked.

Hence the brutal murder.

SoldierofLight ago

Yes, I was thinking that too. And it would be a way to send a message (from the Cabal to other potential whistleblowers) that loose lips sink bodies.

turitelle ago

And I have to say that in every photo of them that I saw, they looked genuinely happy together. Their body language and closeness is not faked. Its so obvious when the spouses don't like each other they stand together with phony smiles, leaning away and trying not to touch each other.

They were making plans, going on a holiday, and she was getting in touch with friends with their itinerary. It makes no sense that a man verging on elderly and can do whatever he wants with his life could or would be physically or mentally able to do that to his wife and himself.

I agree that it was a message. I'm glad the family isn't accepting the official line of bs.

jealoushe ago

They have now changed their stance to a double murder investigation.

SoldierofLight ago

Interesting. Thanks for the update!

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

Great observations and I agree. I sought out that photo of their indoor pool and it does tell a story. Even if one person wanted to commit suicide by hanging, that pool railing is inadequate. You'd basically sit at the edge of the pool, the bulk of your body weight is above the top of the pool at an angle, never hanging freely, no matter how you cut it. Just impossible. Same with "faking" her hanging, it just wouldn't work. And going back to the Doctor who committed suicide by stabbing himself in the torso, come on. A doctor would know hitting an artery is quicker and more effective. Better yet, drugs. And for a father to kill themselves while their young daughter would be left alone to find them? WTF?

Yes this is a message. These could have looked like real suicides, or even real crimes (aka Seth Rich shot in the back on the street/robbery gone wrong). Instead, these are nonsensical methods of suicide.

SoldierofLight ago

Absolutely.

Conspirologist ago

Something is really wrong with this picture. Why only bad people kill good people, but good people don't kill bad people? Have all the good people become mind controlled? Where are the freemen? Think about this.

jewfighter33 ago

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jewfighter33 ago

CLINTON NEEDS TO HANG

Narcissism ago

Say what you like about Killary but there is no denying she lives up to her name! By the time the lame long winded Trump moves on her she will have Exited ALL the witnesses.

BloodGod1337 ago

I know that Trump seriously has important matters to deal with, but by the time he gets to Hilary, she'll have moved to a whole nother country. She's wrapping up loose ends and witnesses and making sure that no one can take her down.

Sad to see that she might truly get away with her heinous acts. Even sadder is that history may very well paint her in a positive light even though she's a fucking inhumane monster.

Narcissism ago

Agree, or even paint her as the victim.

Are_we_shill ago

Canadian billionares

too bad it wasn't Frank Guistra

millennial_vulcan ago

This story is FKIN INSANE. Sorry, that's all I got!

SERIOUSLY INSANE!

4_InquiringMinds ago

Hillary Clinton is part of a crime family that has left a trail of dozens of dead bodies in its bloodthirsty pursuit of power, according to Mike Tyson who told an audience in Las Vegas: “Hillary is America’s most prolific serial killer – bar none.”

“Manson family ain’t nothing compared to the Clinton family,” Tyson said. “Ted Bundy? John Wayne Gacy? Please…that’s kiddie stuff,” Tyson said, pointing out the Manson family murdered four people, while Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy accounted for 35 and 33 respectively.

According to the 51-year-old former heavyweight champion, who was warming up for the next leg of his Undisputed Truth 2 speaking tour with a small show in Las Vegas, these death tallies pale in comparison to the number of victims who have met their maker at the hands of Hillary Clinton.

“She murdered her very good friend Mr Vince Foster. She deliberately on purpose let Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans die in Benghazi. Do you know how many of her personal bodyguards have died deaths of a premature nature?

“Twelve. Twelve young men in close proximity to the Clintons have died premature. This information is all out there. You can look this up yourself. All of these bodyguards are indeed dead and it might all just be a tragic coincidence. Now I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t want to be on their list of associates,” Tyson said, before encouraging audience members to Google “Strange deaths surrounding Clintons”.

“People in a hundred years from now going to look back at us and scratch their heads saying ‘Uhh really guys? Really? You couldn’t see what was right before your eyes?”

“How many more witnesses do we need to commit suicide by two bullets to the back of the head just before they about to testify against the Clintons before we start to say ‘Hey, something here sure smells fishy’?“

Accusing Hillary Clinton of literally getting away with murder, Tyson said, “Sad but true thing is we will never get justice for her. We the people will never see justice served. She’s above the law of the land.”

TupacsTattoo ago

I died when I saw it and then folks made memes.

millennial_vulcan ago

MIKE TYSON said this? When?!

4_InquiringMinds ago

Search duckduckgo

Mike Tyson who told an audience in Las Vegas: "Hillary is America's most prolific serial killer - bar none

For a plethora of hits :)

SoldierofLight ago

Wow, new respect from me toward Tyson. He was always very eloquent when speaking about boxing, particularly about its history, but outside of that I never heard him put sentences together that well. Like I said, respect.

4_InquiringMinds ago

On his rape conviction...

He never did it. When asked if he was upset about being imprisoned for something he says he didn't do, his exact response was:

"No, because even though I never raped that woman I have done a lot worse things in my life than rape. So I deserve to be here."

He was severely molested as a child, lived in the slums, and then was wrongfully accused of rape. Tyson has always been a decent person, he had to live through some troubling times and media narrative/bias to make him into the good person he always was at heart.

Dude does a shit ton for charity and for the people he interacted with while boxing.

From reading his biography, it's most likely murder. Probably more than one. He had quite the temper and was involved with gangs as a teen. He discovered his talent for fighting after he absolutely destroyed some kid for taking one of his pigeons and killing it as a way to make fun of him for raising birds.

Harvey Levin interviewed him on that show he does on Sunday on Fox. Really good, and he talked about the pigeon getting killed, and Tyson still has a whole bunch of them. He showed them on the show. He breeds them and has always loved them.

I don’t care what anyone says, I think you can tell a whole hell of a lot about a person by how they treat animals.

Especially non-tradition pet animals like pigeons. Many “normal” people would gladly take a pellet gun to the park and pick birds off one by one instead actually care for them.

The guy had amazing talent and he was preyed upon by vultures. In a different world he could have lived a very peaceful and happy life. It probably would have suited him, or anyone of us, a whole lot better.

turitelle ago

Thanks, that is all very interesting.

SoldierofLight ago

Good article. Thanks for sharing that.

Random101 ago

“Hillary Clinton is America’s most prolific serial killer” ~ Mike Tyson

Narcissism ago

Never a truer word said.

elephantdoesntforget ago

How is the Clinton Foundation still allowed to operate?????

How the hell is it not under full investigation and being audited as we speak????

WTF is wrong with our government!!!!

Are_we_sure ago

How is the Clinton Foundation still allowed to operate?????

Because none of the lies against it, like this one about the doctor, have been substantiated.

elephantdoesntforget ago

Aren't you a precious shill?

Do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what a day may bring - Psalm 27:1

datadawg ago

my takeaways: 1. expect more murder-suicides to come. hopefully they dont prevent the case from being pushed further.

  1. look into pharma companies involvment. systematic drugging of populations? just like boeing and lockheed contract on top secret govt. projects, im sure pharma companies also do secret govt work. think Montauk and mk ultra, monarcch mind control.

  2. truly global in scope. which countries have been burned and refuse to play

http://humansarefree.com/2016/11/only-3-countries-left-without.html?m=0

  1. In light of the above link, we should look to countries thathave avoided cabal controlled. Coincidence that these are all countries typically considered US enemies? might be time to put aside differences until the common enemy of the cabal is defeated.

  2. look at Operation Condor inS Ameriva? how about us-installed pinochet in Chile? that was a rehime of torture and disappeances. I think a lot ofinsights can be gained from looking at what happened there. That waz cbal work under kissinger and others.

fogdryer ago

only three left iran NK sudan lybia

forgot the others.

datadawg ago

not the best allies at this point, maybe a common enemy is enough to set aside differences

realityisinsanity ago

North Korea is run by the CIA. It's all a show.

Limpness ago

Rockefella branch.

Truthseeker3000 ago

And wasn’t Hillary Clinton just in Canada doing her last stop for her book tour? WIERD.

Christosgnosis ago

"You know, while I'm here in Canada, I just remembered a loose end that needs tying up"

InnocentAngels ago

I saw what you did there. No pun intended, right?

KIC8462852 ago

and there is also a lawsuit (still pending from what i could tell) v. Sherman's cousins. (https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/04/01/toronto-billionaires-orphaned-cousins-seek-piece-of-apotex-fortune.html))

HennyPenny ago

Barry Sherman kept strange company. For a member of the top 50 Richest Jews in the World, he didn't seem to mind losing money in this particular case: He bankrolled Frank D'Angelo in a brewery that never made any money, lost 100 million $ and kept on bankrolling D'Angelo when he decided to become a film producer of Mafia movies. As late as last year, Sherman was involved financially.

Frank D'Angelo's parents moved to Canada in 1956 from Sicily.Besides "losing money" on various expensive projects, he (and a crooked cop) have been involved in obstruction of justice in a trial for alleged sexual assault. His brewery was partly owned by three offshore Bahama companies that were part of a broker conspiracy.

Seems like Sherman scattered his "philanthropy" dollars in strange places (for someone who didn't want to give his benefactor's children their pledged estate).

http://www.macleans.ca/culture/movies/a-lunch-with-frank-dangelo-pitchman-entrepreneur-film-auteur/

HennyPenny ago

" In September 2017, an Ontario Superior Court justice ruled against the cousins.[10] At the time of the judgement, a lawyer for the cousins said they would appeal, though no appeal occurred, and Sherman died a few months later under unknown circumstances." Wikipedia

Sherman did a fast one on his young cousins. Their parents died prematurely (she had terminal leukemia and died 17 days before he died of suspected aneurysm, leaving 4 children under the age of 7) and Sherman right out of grad school bought up his Uncle's business and leveraged into big bucks. He made some enemies. The fight between his cousins and him got dirty : " legal fight turned ugly, with allegations flying that Mr. Sherman had plotted to kill Mr. Winter"

http://www.newscaf.com/top-stories/barry-sherman-a-ruthless-fighter-who-helped-revolutionize-canadas_850122.html

KIC8462852 ago

thanks for the added details!

21yearsofdigging ago

Maybe Giustra is next to have a 'suicide' or a bad luck accident that leaves him dead. We don't know for sure but between the doctor in New York last week and now this?? What is the Clinton body count now...in the thousands??

fogdryer ago

I'm not so sure he has made them a lot of money ----bushes also he is not a novice. I feel he is smart enough to have something in play idk

UnicornAndSparkles ago

We need a suicide watch list.

carmencita ago

This was on the news this morning. I immediately had a sinking feeling. Another one Bites The Dust. How tall was this guy? He looked big sized from his picture. Another Chris Cornell hanging himself suicide. Ring The Alarm.

derram ago

https://archive.fo/ptkp4 :

Canadian police probe 'suspicious' death of billionaire | Daily Mail Online

This has been an automated message.

Are_we__sure ago

The family has pushed back on the cop's talk of a "murder suicide."

Homicide detectives have taken over the case.

Autopsy says death by "ligature neck compression." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/death-toronto-billionaire-barry-sherman-his-wife-investigated-homicide-detectives-n830686

The Sherman family issued a statement Saturday urging police to conduct a "thorough, intensive and objective criminal investigation" into the deaths and calling on the media to avoid speculating on the cause of the deaths.

The Washington Post uses the term strangled when describing ligature neck compression.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/12/18/billionaire-couple-found-dead-in-their-basement-had-been-strangled-canadian-police-say/?utm_term=.aef87b797210

I was wondering if Strangling meant murder, but it appears it could be a result of hanging

Fatal strangling typically occurs in cases of violence, accidents, and as the auxiliary lethal mechanism in hangings in the event the neck does not break.

RagingShieldMaiden ago

I'm thinking garrotted being covered by hanging.

Are_we__sure ago

Do you mean using the same implement as the ligature? Garrote to me usually means a thin ligature. Or do you just mean strangled by ligature and then posed as hanging.

If you mean the later, that is possible, if you mean the former, that would have two different imprints on the neck and would look suspicious.

A thin ligature is used in garroting someone because you generate much pressure per inch by using something thin, giving them less possibility to fight back. These are old folks though.

There was a scene in the The Wire, when someone was killed in prison by being choked with a belt. After he was killed the belt was tied around a doorknob to make it look like a suicide.

argosciv ago

Bloody hell... not ideal when this happens.

Looks like this is one to dig into quickly, before any more loose ends can be tied up -.-

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

And just last week, that doctor in NY who called out the Clinton Foundation for stealing money meant for Haiti "committed suicide" by plunging a knife into his chest.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/doctor-found-dead-knife-torso-nyc-apartment-article-1.3689775

Surely a doctor would know a more efficient way to kill himself. It was clearly a hit.

BloodGod1337 ago

This doctor could've easily gotten some sort of drug to overdose on since he'd have access to it. There's no way a fucking knife into the chest is gonna be a doc's method of suicide.

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

agreed entirely, plus his child would be left alone in the apartment with his dead bloody body?

millennial_vulcan ago

I posted this on V/Conspiracy a while back. Read through the comments...it had 160 UPVOATS

https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2291098

@silencio @Mad_As_Hell @argosciv @Christosgnosis

Vindicator ago

I wish I could say your premise is far out, MV. But sadly, I have no doubt they would murder people for curing disease. They'd better watch out, though, or the Japanese will beat them to it and put them out of business, anyway.

argosciv ago

Ooooh! Now I remember Apotex properly!

Also just noticed the "CONFIRMED" flair.

Trudeau + Booker involvement?

@Vindicator

Silencio ago

The ny doctor self-stabbing "suicide" and the toronto billionaire couple "murder suicide" are related. Neither are suicides. Both happened same week & are both connected to haiti charities. No way either was suicide, toronto already exposed as murders, ny will be next. What doctor, with access to medications for a painless death, would stab themself in the chest? Ridiculous.

Mad_As_Hell ago

Wonder why they're going after medics all of a sudden? Who is investigating Clinton Foundation? Hard to keep track of all the investigations into HRC's corruption, swamp queen that she is

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

Since the two most recent ones are Haiti connected I'm guessing that's where they're feeling the heat, although I don't know of any pointed investigation there. But it's long overdue of course. HRC is so utterly vile but I actually think Bill is the mastermind behind the Arkancides.

Mad_As_Hell ago

Just spotted this about Strzok's dad - am making a post about it now. Haiti suddenly in the spotlight, about time too http://i.magaimg.net/img/24gh.png

Eggs-Vs-Bacon ago

Any idea of the date of that article? I've been poking around regarding Haiti and Bill's '95 handover to the UN, and also the 2009 coup (Hellary). So Haiti connections can go a lot deeper than earthquakes/hurricanes.

Mad_As_Hell ago

No idea but he was in this role back in 1984 - see P 17 of this doc http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PNAAR320.pdf

angry_mob ago

yup. i smell a big stinky rat!

Silencio ago

I saw this too, and there is no way it sounds like a method a doctor would use to suicide. https://nypost.com/2017/12/10/notable-surgeon-who-treated-bono-commits-suicide-nypd/

Christosgnosis ago

they would take a lethal level of some drug that renders unconsciousness - over does levels of opiate drugs

Are_we_sure ago

, that doctor in NY who called out the Clinton Foundation for stealing money meant for Haiti

This never happened. I'm shocked you don't know this false.

KekistanEmperor ago

Oh sure, down the memory hole. Are we sure it never happened?

Are_we_sure ago

Yes, we are absolutely sure. It was made up in 2017 by yournewswire. The doctor went to Haiti as part of volunteer emergency medical team and found the need was overwhelming, the situation was chaotic and their needs including security weren't supported.

He never mentioned the Clinton Foundation AT ALL in his letter which was appropriate because his trip to Haiti had nothing to do with the Clinton Foundation.

We are sure this is not true because yournewswire is a fake news source and when we look at what they claim is their evidence (but they do not link to the evidence), it doesn't say what yournewswire claims it said.

Fake News.

There's a couple of reasons that make a suicide highly likely in this case. He was home with his daughter at the time. She didn't hear anyone enter the apartment. The cops didn't find any forced entry. It was a doorman apartment, so someone was in the lobby.

The doctor also had a few bad things happen to him. He was being sued by an NFL player for ruining his career through a botched surgery. And then this, two days before his death, he learned he couldn't practice at his hospital which is number 1 in NY and number 8 in the whole country.

A prominent Manhattan surgeon – best known for treating Bono – had been stripped of his privileges to practice at New York-Presbyterian Hospital just days before his apparent suicide, a law enforcement source told The Post.

Dr. Dean Lorich was told Friday he would be persona non grata at the landmark Upper East Hospital – and he was found dead inside his Manhattan apartment on Sunday with a self-inflicted stab wound,

https://nypost.com/2017/12/12/prominent-surgeon-lost-hospital-privileges-days-before-apparent-suicide/

Truthseeker3000 ago

An 11 yr old daughter was the one who found him, do u really believe he would have wanted that? Here’s the most damning: he MISSED stabbing his own heart. He’s a trained surgeon and he’s supposedly committing suicide by stabbing himself in chest and he missed his heart!!!!

And now another one bites the dust in Canada a billionaire pharmaceutical giant and they don’t think it’s a murder either!!!! He dies in his home along with his wife. Both have Clinton Foundation connections.

Watch out every one the MK Ultra mind controlled assassins are out in full force this Christmas season.

Are_we_sure ago

An 11 yr old daughter was the one who found him, do u really believe he would have wanted that? Here’s the most damning: he MISSED stabbing his own heart. He’s a trained surgeon and he’s supposedly committing suicide by stabbing himself in chest and he missed his heart!!!!

This an argument by incredulity. And that is a logical fallacy. You can add another dozen exclamations points and that still wouldn't change anything.

His daughter was in the apartment with him. She did notice anyone enter the apartment and cops found no forced entry.

So the options are.

He killed himself.

She killed him.

Some third party killed him.

For the last one to be true they would have needed to get into the apartment quietly, leave no traces of them coming or going, find a knife (Because a strange knife would be a giant clue someone else was there) and kill him without him screaming. Since it was a doorman building, you probably can't enter from the lobby. So it's an incredibly improbable and risky operation and you decide to undertake it when a potential witness is in the apartment. And you also need to find someone with an actual motive to kill him and capable of going though all this rigamarole, not some bullshit he wrote a letter to CNN 7 years ago that everyone forgot about motive.

I think it's more likely that a guy who just suffered a crushing professional blow a few days earlier took his own life. What about his daughter? What about his heart? Do you think someone who takes their own life is thinking rationally and thinking about others? Do you think that someone who stabs himself to commit suicide (if it he hits the heart with 100% accuracy) is thinking rationally?

To me it seems the impulsive act of someone who hates himself. I don't know if you ever saw real depression and mental illness up close, but I know someone with an anxiety disorder who when it hits, it's like they fell off a cliff. Negative thoughts pile up on top of negative thoughts like Niagra Falls. Psychologists call it catastrophizing. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-practice/201301/what-is-catastrophizing-cognitive-distortions

I also have a good friend whose father impulsively killed himself with a handgun during a family argument. I can assure you he was not thinking of kids who were there when he did it.

DerivaUK ago

Firstly, although I don’t know this one’s actual layout I have visited many high end apartments in London where it is more than feasible that one person may not be aware of the entry, exit, location or movement of the other/s and for visitors to enter/exit without their knowledge. Secondly, the one rationale you keep returning to in order to explain away the difficulty of entering or exiting the actual apartment building is that it is a “doorman” apartment block so “someone was in the lobby” which you automatically seem to assume this person as safe, trustworthy and security minded as opposed to potentially hostile, manipulated or deliberately placed to either enable or commit said crime which is, given what we know, not beyond the realms of possibility. In this light it’s even not impossible that an assailant was already in the apartment beforehand (and perhaps the daughter in tow wasn’t planned) who knows? but you cannot just dismiss this as a murder using those arguments. I agree that this kind of ‘suicide’ is extremely unusual and highly unlikely from one with so many easier and less traumatic methods available to him; mental state notwithstanding. But you’ll argue for argument’s sake, because that’s your job.

Are_we_sure ago

First let's revisit the facts.

This doctor was never critical of the Clinton Foundation that was a lie.

The immediate facts prior to his death were

*He being sued for ruining a NFL players' career *His hospital would no longer let him practice.

Two giant blows to his career happened right before his death.

Now let's look at what you say.

Firstly, .......

Yes, it's feasible, BUT then they also have to stab a man to death. This could be quite noisy. Even if he just saw someone in his house before he was stabbed.

This is a reach

You second point is a much, much bigger reach.

Secondly, the one rationale you keep returning to in order to explain away the difficulty of entering or exiting the actual apartment building is that it is a “doorman” apartment block so “someone was in the lobby” which you automatically seem to assume

A doorman apartment block is not a New York term. So I'm not sure you are familiar whatsoever with the layout we are talking about. So yes there was someone in the lobby. The main job of NYC doorman is know who belongs in the building and who does not.

Here you go far, far, far beyond the realms of possiblity.

assume this person as safe, trustworthy and security minded as opposed to potentially hostile, manipulated or deliberately placed to either enable or commit said crime which is, given what we know, not beyond the realms of possibility.

The doorman is going to be a known entity. They are usually quite long-term in the building. They are unionized. I once worked a summer replacement in a doorman building. You are now in the realms of fiction. You are writing a screenplay.

First off, there is no one with an obvious motive to kill this guy. The only one I can think of is the NFL player, but it's more likely that the NFL player wanted him alive to pay off the lawsuit.

Then, if you want to kill the guy, your plan is to somehow manipulate the doorman so you can break into his apartment while family is home and stab in the chest?

Your third point is further fantasy

In this light it’s even not impossible that an assailant was already in the apartment beforehand (and perhaps the daughter in tow wasn’t planned) who knows? but you cannot just dismiss this as a murder using those arguments.

The NYPD consider suicide the most likely possibility and nothing you have said changes that.

As for your meticulously planned fantasy murder, we know of no one who has a motive to murder this man let alone do it in the way you describe.

Truthseeker3000 ago

I disagree completely. Yes I know all about the mental illness aspect you speak of and there is NO WAY a surgeon would commit suicide in that manner especially after having thought about it for four days as you say he suffered a professional blow. Why did he not get fentanyl and take the pills instead, quick death instead of painfully stabbing himself. He had access to all kinds of powerful quick death drugs. Even when suicidal one can still think rationally and ways to kill themselves that would be the best, quickest and least painful.

KekistanEmperor ago

Weird way to commit suicide though, wouldn't you agree? Are we sure it wasn't homicidal rooftop, rappelling ninja niggas?

argosciv ago

Someone did raise questions about that, I forget who, but I remember seeing mention of the daughter being the one to find him or something?