He has not been banned from this subverse, although I did delete his comment in two threads and give him a warning about repeatedly violating the Voat User Agreement we are all bound by when he attempted to post a screenshot of a submission made -- and then deleted -- by Psychanaut. That submission was in violation of Voat's rules about sharing publicly identifiable personal information on Voat. Both of them put themselves at risk of a sitewide ban because of it.*
PizzagateBot, it should be noted, attempted to use Voat's "comments are sacrosanct" norm as cover for ignoring the sitewide rules. He could have made a post examining and debunking Psychanaut's submissions, or Kim Holleman's Quora articles. Instead, he spammed submissions he didn't like with hostile comments, escalating to this doxing incident which violated the User Agreement. Comments in those two threads make it clear that he and other users were surprised their efforts had failed to censor Psychanaut's free speech.
Whatever your opinion of Psychanaut, the attempts to shut down a user should make you pause. I have received a number of DMs from users who discovered their comment histories were being archived by someone documenting everything they post. Two were doxed and had to shut down their accounts.
Also, since PizzagateBot began auto-archiving posts, users themselves have grown quite lax about archiving. If he deletes his account, all of his comments will be permanently erased.
Other than the doxing comments I removed (which were separate comments from the archiving bot-comments), PizzagateBot has not been censored in any way. He stopped archiving by his own choice, for unknown reasons.
*The User Agreement requires mods to remove content in violation of its terms:
Moderating a subverse is an unofficial, voluntary position. We reserve the right to revoke that position for any user at any time...When you receive notice that there is content that violates this user agreement on subverses you moderate, you agree to remove it.
Perhaps those with a legal background could chime in about what happens to a contract when the party issuing it fails to abide by its terms? I believe that nullifies it -- and possibly removes the indemnification it provides Voat protecting it from harm caused by its users.
Thank you for your reply. You must be expending considerable time and effort on this. [And not always appreciated!]
I don't know how many people read the user agreement - it took me months to even notice the "rules" on this sub - and only because one of my submissions was deleted as per rule 4
It seems action must be initiated by a specific notice to a mod alleging a user agreement violation. There is then a question of the validity and reasonableness of the rules [pound of flesh enforceability question]
I presume voat can block a user if voat - the corporation feels violated.
Wowzers, ok. Many thanks for explaining. Apologies for being a little too old to completely understand all of this, someone has kindly explained doxxing to me previously.
Everyone needs to get on here, we are fighting the peados not each other.
Very good point made also about archiving. Things put up on here are being 404ed pretty quick as people aren't archiving - again proving they are watching this site like hawks.
Regardless of what has happened on here, or if you are just having a little cool off for a while, please could you let us know you are safe @PizzagateBot as we are all well aware of the trail of death that follows the Clinton.
We've already lost the original submission text - it doesn't seem to have been archived. Where is the Bot when you need him? @PizzagateBot@pizzagatebot@Vindicator@vindicator [just trying to check if usernames are case sensitive - please let me know if you got 2 comment mentions - if you feel so minded. Thanks.
Then we don't know what kicked off the response, unless someone - like Bot - archived it between posting and deletion and someone can find where it was archived.
He has not been banned from this subverse, although I did delete his comment in two threads and give him a warning about repeatedly violating the Voat User Agreement we are all bound by
Maybe @PizzagateBot just decided to take a break then.
I thought it a brilliant innovation when I first saw it - although I find I always have enough tails to chase without the Bot's links. Eventually everything will be linked to everything else and a Bot will spew out every submission and comment on v/pizzagate!
Details appreciated, thanks. PgB has been doing two big things, 1) linking related subs and 2) archiving. Links to related subs were just that, and if his comments disappear, that will suck. But, about this:
Also, since PizzagateBot began auto-archiving posts, users themselves have grown quite lax about archiving. If he deletes his account, all of his comments will be permanently erased.
At risk of sounding stupid, I'll just go ahead and ask, would PgB's WayBack Machine archived items disappear too?
I think once it is archived it is there for ever, however, you need a page address to find it. If the "original" page address is deleted, unless you have personally saved it on your own device, it becomes effectively inaccessible. Maybe the search engines crawl the archives, so a few key words might turn it up. Although I don't recall archived pages coming up in search results. TBH archiving is something of a mystery to me. Elsewhere, I noticed the French presidential candidate's leaked emails were allegedly scrubbed from archived records - so who knows!
This I do not know. Nor how hard it would be to find the archived articles without the links.
I know that @RebelSkum is working on backing up the most important evidence at pizzagate.wiki into the Steemit blockchain. Not that I understand what that means. LOL
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Vindicator ago
@2impendingdoom, please add the https://voat.co/user/PizzagateBot/comments link to the body of your submission so mods don't have to take it down.
@nana66 @jangles @unicornsandsparkles @Criticalthinker615 @Jem777
He has not been banned from this subverse, although I did delete his comment in two threads and give him a warning about repeatedly violating the Voat User Agreement we are all bound by when he attempted to post a screenshot of a submission made -- and then deleted -- by Psychanaut. That submission was in violation of Voat's rules about sharing publicly identifiable personal information on Voat. Both of them put themselves at risk of a sitewide ban because of it.*
PizzagateBot, it should be noted, attempted to use Voat's "comments are sacrosanct" norm as cover for ignoring the sitewide rules. He could have made a post examining and debunking Psychanaut's submissions, or Kim Holleman's Quora articles. Instead, he spammed submissions he didn't like with hostile comments, escalating to this doxing incident which violated the User Agreement. Comments in those two threads make it clear that he and other users were surprised their efforts had failed to censor Psychanaut's free speech.
Whatever your opinion of Psychanaut, the attempts to shut down a user should make you pause. I have received a number of DMs from users who discovered their comment histories were being archived by someone documenting everything they post. Two were doxed and had to shut down their accounts.
Also, since PizzagateBot began auto-archiving posts, users themselves have grown quite lax about archiving. If he deletes his account, all of his comments will be permanently erased.
Other than the doxing comments I removed (which were separate comments from the archiving bot-comments), PizzagateBot has not been censored in any way. He stopped archiving by his own choice, for unknown reasons.
*The User Agreement requires mods to remove content in violation of its terms:
Perhaps those with a legal background could chime in about what happens to a contract when the party issuing it fails to abide by its terms? I believe that nullifies it -- and possibly removes the indemnification it provides Voat protecting it from harm caused by its users.
Silverlining ago
Thank you for your reply. You must be expending considerable time and effort on this. [And not always appreciated!]
I don't know how many people read the user agreement - it took me months to even notice the "rules" on this sub - and only because one of my submissions was deleted as per rule 4
It seems action must be initiated by a specific notice to a mod alleging a user agreement violation. There is then a question of the validity and reasonableness of the rules [pound of flesh enforceability question]
I presume voat can block a user if voat - the corporation feels violated.
UnicornsAndSparkles ago
Wowzers, ok. Many thanks for explaining. Apologies for being a little too old to completely understand all of this, someone has kindly explained doxxing to me previously.
Everyone needs to get on here, we are fighting the peados not each other.
Very good point made also about archiving. Things put up on here are being 404ed pretty quick as people aren't archiving - again proving they are watching this site like hawks.
Regardless of what has happened on here, or if you are just having a little cool off for a while, please could you let us know you are safe @PizzagateBot as we are all well aware of the trail of death that follows the Clinton.
Silverlining ago
We've already lost the original submission text - it doesn't seem to have been archived. Where is the Bot when you need him? @PizzagateBot @pizzagatebot @Vindicator @vindicator [just trying to check if usernames are case sensitive - please let me know if you got 2 comment mentions - if you feel so minded. Thanks.
Vindicator ago
Nope, only got one copy.
Silverlining ago
Maybe it recognises "duplicates" within a single comment and only notifies once. See if you get a ping for @vindicator as well as a message reply.
Vindicator ago
Yep. Got both. Nice testing!
UnicornsAndSparkles ago
@silverlining
Silverlining ago
Aren't you inventive and resourceful? I got your ping - no need for me to be Capitalized ever again!
UnicornsAndSparkles ago
Hehe glad we figured that out!
2impendingdoom ago
Thanks for the response, I will self delete the post.
Silverlining ago
Then we don't know what kicked off the response, unless someone - like Bot - archived it between posting and deletion and someone can find where it was archived.
jangles ago
This is pro! thanks
YingYangMom ago
Maybe @PizzagateBot just decided to take a break then.
V____Z ago
He stopped archiving because he never gave a crap about our research, he was not here to help.
Silverlining ago
I thought it a brilliant innovation when I first saw it - although I find I always have enough tails to chase without the Bot's links. Eventually everything will be linked to everything else and a Bot will spew out every submission and comment on v/pizzagate!
Vindicator ago
@YingYangMom @rooting4redpillers @Dressage2 @Silverlining @Michael84
rooting4redpillers ago
Details appreciated, thanks. PgB has been doing two big things, 1) linking related subs and 2) archiving. Links to related subs were just that, and if his comments disappear, that will suck. But, about this:
At risk of sounding stupid, I'll just go ahead and ask, would PgB's WayBack Machine archived items disappear too?
Silverlining ago
I think once it is archived it is there for ever, however, you need a page address to find it. If the "original" page address is deleted, unless you have personally saved it on your own device, it becomes effectively inaccessible. Maybe the search engines crawl the archives, so a few key words might turn it up. Although I don't recall archived pages coming up in search results. TBH archiving is something of a mystery to me. Elsewhere, I noticed the French presidential candidate's leaked emails were allegedly scrubbed from archived records - so who knows!
Vindicator ago
This I do not know. Nor how hard it would be to find the archived articles without the links.
I know that @RebelSkum is working on backing up the most important evidence at pizzagate.wiki into the Steemit blockchain. Not that I understand what that means. LOL
Vindicator ago
@Gilderoy @karenrussell63 https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1842540/9021398
karenrussell63 ago
thanks for clearing this up