I have witnessed a lot of confusion regarding the Pizzagate Vs Pedogate definitions lately. Citizen Investigators seem to have become increasingly uncomfortable using the term Pizzagate and I was wondering why that was. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using the term Pizzagate so long as you understand what it means.
**PIZZAGATE is LOCAL, PEDOGATE is GLOBAL**
Here is an article I read on this issue http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=68600 http://archive.is/rzKWv which describes extremely well the difference between the two terms and which was linked in this thread https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1726694 http://archive.is/ncWMO
Simplified explanation:
PIZZAGATE is the Washington D.C. child trafficking, SRA, pedophile rings used to keep high level politicians in check.
PEDOGATE is the Global Child Trafficking business mainly managed by the CIA and other countries' respective Secret Intelligence Agencies, for the Military Industrial Complex and other key Fortune 1000 companies scattered around the globe.
It is especially urgent to read this entire “Special Report” so that the Pizzagate lexicon and Pedogate back story can be properly understood.
N.B. The term PIZZA in Pizzagate is not so much related to the Pizza joint on Connecticut Avenue (Comet Ping Pong) as it is to the Pizza CODEWORD found in the WikiLeaks Podesta Emails' Dump.
I hope this helps clear things up for you all.
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reasonedandinformed ago
Part of the reason people will use #PedoGate over #PizzaGate involves the overt censorship of pizzagate on social media platforms and google. A simple search of pizzagate, where VOAT should dominate the results, reveals zero results for this platform, making it hard to expand our outreach and message to the broader community who have not investigated and who have only been exposed to the LSM lie that pizzagate has been debunked. This thread gives context for google's censorship and a workaround strategy to reach more of the masses: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1691547
ZalesMcMuffin ago
Good tactical analysis. This is the eventuality I've always expected (not PG specifically, just this sort of thing) and one reason I've tried to get people to stop using and saying "google". Google is not your friend, it's a trap used by your enemy to control you (and everyone else unwary). The trap is being sprung now. Sucks, huh?
There are other tools not run by your enemy. Use them instead.
reasonedandinformed ago
I get your point about the tools we SHOULD use. The challenge is reaching the large swath of the public that uses these censoring tools right now...coming up with ways to reach them with our messages. It does not matter if we use a different web browser or search engine if they do not. We need to be creative to spread the word so that the community does not become closed, with us talking only to ourselves, due to their overt efforts to block our message,
ZalesMcMuffin ago
These are operations behind enemy lines, and yes, there are still lots of people there.
YingYangMom ago
You raise a very valid point. However, knowing what you know about TPTB, don't you think #Pedogate will also be censored at one point? I think so. I still think we should continue to use the terms we've used so far instead of letting TPTB dictate our behaviour.
reasonedandinformed ago
The reason that my post got a negative vote is that CTR knows that this is important. We need to have messages and tags around #PedoGate and #SaveTheKids since they are so effectively blocking pizzagate that much of what we write and post is only seen by those who ALREADY KNOW about pizzagate.
Silverlining ago
Just as pedos will need to find new code words for pizza and pasta, and drug dealers keep moving the names to keep ahead of the authorities, pizzagate may have to evolve its name to keep ahead of the censors.
This way new comers can be pointed in the v/pizzagate direction where the investigation can bubble away in its own little bubble.
Personally, I like pizzagate. But I note that money laundering may not have moved much form the old mafia trick of the pizza parlor. Art galleries may be the new pizza.
YingYangMom ago
You got downvoated by a lone troll/shill. We all got downvoated by the same user. Who cares about him/her? Continue to comment and give your opinion. Don't let the trolls discourage you, friend.
reasonedandinformed ago
It does not discourage me, but my point is very important and relates to your post. While pizzagate is the name and focus of the plaform, people need to realize that the censorship on the term is very effective. Stubbornly saying "we will not be stopped by TPTB from using our term" fails to recognize that not altering our messaging serves to keep our message contained and insulated to the current community...a goal of TPTB. We are playing into their hands if we do not adapt and find other ways to share our message so that it reaches the broader public. Please go to google and enter pizzagate to see for yourself that this search will not bring a single person to this platform because google is literally blocking VOAT from the results on that search. Once you realize this, you will see the actual limitations created if we solely focus on using the preferred term of pizzagate when we try to engage others on social media or other platforms.
YingYangMom ago
I use Safari and DuckDuckGo as search engine and these are the first 3 results I got by entering Pizzagate in the search bar:
http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/ (A detailed conspiracy theory known as "Pizzagate" holds that a pedophile ring is operating out of a Clinton-linked pizzeria called Comet Ping Pong)
http://pizzagate.com (Pizzagate is Not Fake News)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pizzagate-from-rumor-to-hashtag-to-gunfire-in-dc/2016/12/06/4c7def50-bbd4-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.454613afad05
I understand your concern about the "containment" of our cause. It's an issue I am not having because I don't have a twitter, FB or Instagram account...
reasonedandinformed ago
Again, the issue is not the platform that we, who know about pizzagate, use. The issue involves the general public which is still uninformed, and which uses google, twitter, FB, and YT as primary sources of info. It is irrelevant if WE have moved on from these censored platforms. As long as they dominate in terms of providing info to the public, we need to find ways to get our messages out through these megaphones by adjusting HOW we message. This includes saying that pedogate/pizzagate is non partisan, an evil infecting both sides of the aisle. It is all about the evil of the elites and corrupting those in power so that they can be controlled (a compromise operation).
reasonedandinformed ago
My point is that PIZZAGATE is currently heavily censored. Postings with that as the key reference WILL NOT BE SEEN in a google search and will be actively banned or shadow banned on Twitter, FB, and YT. We need to be smart in dodging the censorship to increase reach so that we are not limited to just talking to those who already know about VOAT. Right now, no one who enters "pizzagate" in google will even be exposed to VOAT in the results...it is that extreme. This is part of the reason I started suggesting #SaveTheKids in December as the censorship was already becoming heavy. They will have a hard time blocking #SaveTheKids without a much more major reaction by the public since the agenda will be so transparent.
YingYangMom ago
I like this #SaveTheKids. May I suggest also #HandsOffOurKids ?
reasonedandinformed ago
Sure. Everyone can come up with some catchy titles, but #SaveTheKids has already developed some traction since many in this community started using it in December and piggyback it onto related posts and threads. It actually summarizes our mission. The HandsOff does not begin to touch how much worse we know things are...not just touching kids and sex but murder, cannibalism, SRA programming. The HandsOff message does not really touch that. #SaveTheKids does cause people to think, "Should I click on this to learn more?" https://voat.co/v/HumanRights/1490856