- Muslims "migrants" or "refugees" are an invading force. They are terrorists. The ones that aren't are enablers, helpers, and the "I didn't see anything" crowd.
- Hillary is insanely guilty - of almost everything she's accused of. Being a reptile is still up for debate. (last part was a bit of a joke... a bit)
- There is almost nothing Trump can do to be worse than Hillary. We all know that Trump isn't ideal on all things, or being nice. We all know he's not the end-all for our government woes. Speaking about it, or writing about how we don't hold him accountable for MSM narratives behind his actions will get you caught in the aforementioned shill trap.
- We hate political correctness, SJWs, and cucks.
- MSM, the government, and George Soros are all attempting to steal the country from Trump and the citizens.
- Wikileaks and Project Veritas is the real news, along with precious few others. It is the politics/news/worldnews bible - a gift that keeps on giving. Assange is likely dead, and wikileaks may or may not be compromised. Use your best judgment with all news outlets.
I don't understand this. I agree with this stuff, but this is just creating yet another alternative echochamber, just like Gab. You're not activile supressing opinions like Reddit, but instead it's activile encouraged to have only certain types of opinions. I fail to see how that's any better.
smallpond ago
Maybe let me know if you find somewhere you think has a more genuine exchange of opposing ideas - I'm still here because I haven't found anything suitable. I'll look at Minds, and personally think Phuks is ok, but too tiny to be a real option yet.
Voat is badly infested with fools and control freaks (this thread), but there are decent reasonable people here as well. It also has critical mass, and retains widespread and historical alignment with free speech principles, though comprehending what that means in practice is another matter.
As someone who approximately agrees with voat's hivemind opinions, you're likely to be more effective than me when it comes to improving the level of conversation around here. I hope you'll reconsider and stick around if you don't find anything better.
smallpond ago
Sure, because voat's censorship and the resulting echochamber status is really encouraging coherent and well-articulated arguments.
Remove the CCP-based censorship and fools like you might learn to think, or just fuck off to another safespace.
ScalarWhaler ago
Pick another subverse, try not to be such an obvious faggot. Sorry that accountibility is real and you have to make a new account. Do you sell those libtears on eGay?
ScalarWhaler ago
Uh, ur here, faggot. Downvotes do jot equal censorship. Libtards can't get it through their heads that popularity of opinion is not a right. Go ahead and have your retarded opinions, but you're not going to get artificial upvotes from the faggots that roam here.
ScalarWhaler ago
Oh look! Your comment is still here, unchanged! Welcome to voat!
GoodGodKirk ago
You don't surf the subs the shills are active in. Thats not a bad thing, you're just lucky to have avoided them so far.
GoodGodKirk ago
To not acknowledge the shills is to stick ones head so far up their ass, they think everything is fine.
smallpond ago
Those with unpopular opinions can't spit out much of an argument because voat censors them via CCP restrictions. Educate yourself.
Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because my views are unpopular here I have less than 100 CCP, and am temporarily banned as soon as I make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech. Don’t be a hypocrite and pretend that it does.
smallpond ago
Voat actively suppresses unpopular opinions through CCP-based censorship. I think that's a big part of why it's such an echochamber.
Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because my views are unpopular here I have less than 100 CCP, and am temporarily banned as soon as I make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech. Don’t be a hypocrite and pretend that it does.
10103553? ago
Yeah. That must be it.
Crensch ago
You already have. Don't worry, you'll find out where soon enough.
Titus-of-Voat ago
Voat is too much an echo chamber. I will upvoats content I don't agree with if it leads to good discussion. We need more of that.
Crensch ago
The point is that it's a tell. And you were caught.
Vs "Why would Israel want to do this?" Do I need to make a submission where I ask people what they think the difference is?
It's not like you have a stellar reputation of being a reasonable person, and your "conspiratards" pretty much pigeon-holes you into being, well, exactly what everyone thought you were.
An accident, eh kike?
http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf
Say it was an accident again, I fucking dare you.
Crensch ago
Your perception of reality is skewed.
Nothing you do will matter after DotR.
I'm calling you a Jew. Everything else is fluff designed to get you to slip up and make another embarrassing archive of Jewish shame.
Crensch ago
I'm sure you just meant "why do these nice conspiracy theorists think it happened?"
Not, you know, what everyone would take away from your words, which is you denying Israel sank the ship.
As @Kal said: "Shills haven't learned that 'conspiritards' is only a tell at this point."
Crensch ago
There's really a great deal of Jewish pretending to not understand going around. I'm wondering if it's actually an act, or if Jews really just inbred themselves into abject stupidity.
Crensch ago
So?
Of course they don't, because you're responding like a Jew. I'm not making assertions about your mindset, or thoughts. I'm making a claim based on your words here. A claim most will find to have merit.
I bet it hurts to not be able to pin that on me.
Crensch ago
Crensch ago
And others can read what is written and decide for themselves.
"no u" kek.
Well, you seem to be making assertions about what I think. There's a good bit of difference between that and calling you out as your particular branch of subhuman.
That's not really how it works, and I find it hilarious that you would basically admit that here.
Crensch ago
Because it was the first comment under OP, faggot. Even kikepedia hasn't scrubbed the fact that it was an attack by Israel yet. http://archive.is/NRxO2
Crensch ago
Well, I would assume such a thing would hurt your feelings, but being a Jew, only being called out as a Jew really does anything to rattle you.
Do I? I don't think you could prove such a thing.
The label is a lens that allows your otherwise incomprehensible behaviour to be understood. Also, it really seems to bug you when I call you a Jew.
Crensch ago
For anyone reading this, if you're wondering:
http://archive.is/2p9pG
Crensch ago
I bet you think it means something when you say such things; coming from a Jew, it is like a poodle yapping.
Crensch ago
You did nothing of the sort, and I merely stated that nobody is going to believe your claim. Nice try, Schlomo.
You wish it were even remotely like that. Your example is oddly specific.
Again, a figment of your imagination.
Telling people on the net what to do. Well done.
Crensch ago
More of that Jew brain of yours making shit up.
Crensch ago
The only thing that matters here is that nobody believes you, Chaim.
Crensch ago
alt-kike isn't against Jews. Nice try, kike.
10101127? ago
I refuse to acknowledge it because it's not. And once again, the Left reverts to it's age old tactic of simply reinventing the definitions of words to suit their victimhood agenda.
Crensch ago
Figured the Jew would have something to say.
Counterexample to your entire comment:
Voat's viewpoint on Jews. No migration needed. And with that, your entire response is shown to be false.
Y8goKTH959VCLKty8xIz ago
I've been on here way too long to have never read that. Ty
Crensch ago
Not everyone here has a clue about Gab, I'm one of them.
This isn't an echo chamber at all, the /v/introductions sticky merely laid down the scoresheet of what ideas won out here. The ideas that win here are the ideas that are best supported and argued for.
As almost everyone else in these comments said, your post has not been deleted, so attempting to put Voat in the same basket as rEddit is dishonest, and shows that you're not really here to discuss anything earnestly. If you're just here to spew bullshit, you'll be happy to know that you join the ranks of some of the most stubborn, loudmouthed, dishonest people most of us have ever come across.
The people whose ranks you'll join by arguing dishonestly are the kind that will never, no matter how well supported the other side is, change their minds, or even admit that there might be an ounce of merit to the alternative viewpoint.
With just the quoted line I'm justified in calling you a concern troll.
What a shocker that having opinions that win in arguments is encouraged! WE CAN'T HAVE THAT! MUH EQUALITY!
You're not making a good case for your continued presence here. You're also not doing any favors to those few that constantly whine about our hard-fought narrative, since your argument seems to be from a position of "equality = good".
Not all beings are created equal, not all ideas are created equal. Some ideas, given a platform upon which they can be heard simply fail, and your entire post suggests that you believe this could not possibly have happened.
I know not whether it's because you think it impossible, or because you just cannot cognitively comprehend that events could have happened before you came here causing other narratives to die off.
Then your mind is broken. You may have a mind that is workable for the current IRL rEddit-esque narrative, but once the pendulum swing causes that SJW shit to die, you'll be stuck wondering how we ever came to better conclusions about reality than those degenerates.
You're basically admitting here that you believe no idea deserves a pedestal, and while in the SJW world, where every idea is just as shit-tier as the next, you might be right, in a free-speech zone the best ideas deserve their pedestal.
I wrote that crash-course introduction to Voat, and it works for 99% of the people that stick around here. It wasn't designed to hold your fucking hand through tossing away rEddit-tier beliefs and axioms that are honestly embarrassing.
TL;DR
"Came for a place where all ideas are treated as equal, no matter which ones are argued best, or best supported by sources, like rEddit."
GoodGodKirk ago
Are you kidding no me? Gab.ai was the alternate twitter here for awhile! It was introduced in between migrations. ;)
I can't even say 4ch and 8ch are echo chambers like Reddit is...I feel that voat is more like Reddit right before the digg migration. After the digg exodus, Reddit started to first go up due to the members creating interesting subverses and keeping it fresh with content. Now it's just memes stolen from 4chan and a fascist ideology which pushes conservatives to not speak up.
Crensch ago
@GoodGodKirk @crazy_eyes @totes_magotes @goatboy
totes_magotes ago
lulz... my reply to this thread is about how we converse, sometimes taking both sides of the argument just for the sake of learning the points and ropes and this comment is a perfect example of how we actually converse here.
Thanks for the tag.
Crensch ago
Sure thing. Recent example of your comment.
totes_magotes ago
One of the things I love about voat. That and we're all faggots and not afraid to call it out. :)
Crensch ago
@AOU @tanukihat @Saufsoldat @Y8goKTH959VCLKty8xIz @weredawg
dyngetryne2 ago
Stop whining, you pussy. You are repeating yourself, like your own echo.
zipcodemonster ago
Then stay here and challenge the status quo. You might get downvotes but that's probably it. I was talking with a transgender the other day on here. We disagreed about some stuff but I respected the hell out of them for being willing to show up here.
smallpond ago
Downvotes lead to censorship of unpopular opinions on voat, thanks to CCP restrictions.
Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because my views are unpopular here I have less than 100 CCP, and am temporarily banned as soon as I make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech. Don’t be a hypocrite and pretend that it does.
10098810? ago
Well, no-platforming is instantaneous and absolute, and tends to be mostly pro-active - though one does have to "out" himself as a "toxic" individual before being targeted - usually.
Negative CCP reflects a building community reaction to what is generally bullshit content. There are those who use it for the purpose of no-platforming, and we have a word for that: brigading. And that's against site rules. But I would argue that the honor system is working for the most part on this issue. It's understood that downvoting is not simply an "I disagree" button, but to be used against content that doesn't actually further the discussion. That's what I try to do, and that's what I've observed. It's been used (properly) against me, and I accept it, because those weren't my finer moments on this site.
This notion of abolishing all things that might possibly maybe be abused en masse is ineffective on a good day, destructive on a bad one.
totes_magotes ago
The difference is that here on voat, we can literally say whatever we want and often do. That means that, yes, we have conversations where we will take opposite sides just to have the discussion and learn from that discussion.
smallpond ago
You're actively censoring users who genuinely hold opposing opinions - try removing the censorship rather than arguing with your own strawmen.
Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because my views are unpopular here I have less than 100 CCP, and am temporarily banned as soon as I make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech. Don’t be a hypocrite and pretend that it does.
totes_magotes ago
Shut up, faggot.
goatboy ago
Welcome to the cold civil war mother fucker.
10098725? ago
Your opinion conflicts with the majority opinion here all the time.
And you still remain heard.
And that's what's known as coming full circle.
10098704? ago
Either that, or I just enjoy social harmony. I guess we'll never know for certain.
Y8goKTH959VCLKty8xIz ago
And thanks to the last Nigger in office we have become far to polarized to ever have another 2009 version of readdit
Y8goKTH959VCLKty8xIz ago
Who the fuck told you WikiLeaks was real news
10098601? ago
Then the issue is one of semantics.
What you call a "safe space" is what we call "social harmony". What we call a safe space is a place where no-platforming (McCarthysim) occurs - in the digital world, that means the deleting of posts that violate the narrative. How can you accuse someone of dishonesty without reaching a consensus on language first?
10098571? ago
So you actually believe a modicum of social harmony is bad?
A piece to the puzzle that is Leftism falls into place...
10098558? ago
Then why are you here, and permitted to voice your opinions?
10098556? ago
I can't help but notice your post hasn't been deleted. This fact indicates you to be a little bitch that complains for the sake of complaining.
tanukihat ago
Good luck out there man.
tanukihat ago
They aren't being encouraged by anyone. If they were, I could contact an Admin right now and have you banned.
crazy_eyes ago
That's because you're an idiot. Here on voat one is encouraged to have their own opinion. One had also better expect that opinion to be challenged and be able to back up their reasoning in the face of criticism. If that sounds like an echo chamber to you, like i said earlier, you're an idiot. Just how much did the comment you posted in response to my comment add to the discussion? You're a hypocrite too
smallpond ago
Voat has pervasive censorship in place via CCP restrictions to make sure the speech of those with unpopular opinions is perpetually restricted - of course the result is a miserable echochamber.
Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because my views are unpopular here I have less than 100 CCP, and am temporarily banned as soon as I make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech. Don’t be a hypocrite and pretend that it does.
crazy_eyes ago
Apparently you been wrong a lot
AOU ago
Thanks, I'm gonna get bacon and eggs for breakfast.
It's almost lunch time for you, isn't it?
tanukihat ago
Neogaf actively bans anyone who disagrees. So does reddit. Those are echo chambers.
Majority public opinion is not an echo chamber at all.
You see, you sound like you're saying "What's up with all these people who are against murder? Is this some kind of anti-murder echo chamber?"
AOU ago
Of course you're not, officially, one.
Being a faggot in islam = death.
But you already know that, goat fucking inbred.
AOU ago
You're always the first one jumping in discussions criticising islam.
https://archive.is/RbcGd
AOU ago
Try to remember what you are saying on voat.
AOU ago
Try to have an open discussion and criticize Islam in the Shitholistan.
tanukihat ago
Organic echo chambers aren't the kind of echo chambers you're thinking of when you use that buzzword.
weredawg ago
Let me know when your post gets deleted for going against groupthink.
smallpond ago
What about temporary bans so that their comments and posts are severely throttled? That's the censorship voat employs for going against groupthink.
Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because my views are unpopular here I have less than 100 CCP, and am temporarily banned as soon as I make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech. Don’t be a hypocrite and pretend that it does.
AOU ago
Because your Quran is not an echo chamber?
tanukihat ago
You may leave at any time.
ScalarWhaler ago
Say what you want, don't get censored or banned... Is that so difficult for your brain to ACTIVELY understand?
This is not a SAFE SPACE you fcuck!
smallpond ago
Wrong on all counts. You censor unpopular users and ideologies through CCP restrictions - effectively dealing out repeated temporary website bans. Of course the result is a safespace with next to zero critical discourse.
Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because my views are unpopular here I have less than 100 CCP, and am temporarily banned as soon as I make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech. Don’t be a hypocrite and pretend that it does.
ScalarWhaler ago
I got banned from /v/identarian... And while it was tempting to focus on the butthurt, I realized something. Those fucks don't get my positive feedback now. Those cuckolds literally have it in their bylaws not to 'punch right'. Fucking fairies can't take a decent hit, and so therefor will never better themselves through adversity. Quit being such a goddamn whiner and post constructibe shit. The world, like voat, will, at least to some degree, reciprocate the value it finds in you.
smallpond ago
I agree with this completely... and am thoroughly confused as to what else you're trying to say.
Right now voat can't take a decent hit.. it is too stupid and sheltered to effectively argue its position. If voat eases up on the censorship and lets some dissenting opinions in, your morons will be forced to think and effectively express themselves. This would be to everyone's benefit.
ScalarWhaler ago
Dissenting opinion doesn't help you dumb faggot. I don't care how you feel. Oraybe I do, but don't present it as fact that I have to pay for. Sick of this nanmby pamby, 'you have to hear me!' bullshit. If your message has value, people will want to listen. I only get banned from idiotic subs. How about that? You have it cucked in your head that you can ever, ever learn shit for other people. Well you can't.
smallpond ago
If you have a coherent message, it's getting lost in all the hatred - you seem to have trouble controlling your feelings. Of course my message has value - voat is supposed to be about free speech and people have a natural aversion to hypocrisy. Who told you this fairytale about people wanting to listen to valuable things? I don't need your thanks - I'm happy to speak the truth whether you're capable of comprehending it or not.
Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because my views are unpopular here I have less than 100 CCP, and am temporarily banned as soon as I make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech. Don’t be a hypocrite and pretend that it does.
ScalarWhaler ago
Problems you have with other people are usually problems you actually have with yourself. Best way I can sum up my coherent message.
smallpond ago
Well, your coherent message is general and simple enough to be dismissed as bullshit for simpletons. If you have the mental capacity, you'd be wiser to consider each 'problem' on its own merits.
I'm far more concerned with the status of free speech on voat than I am with my own account. If I could make a deal whereby voat became censorship-free for everyone else, but I remained in this censored state - I'd be quite happy with that.
altreptiles ago
Ive been banned (from fph) for not hating fat children adequately. This shit is just 'reddit on the right'
ScalarWhaler ago
You defended fat children. There is no excuse for a fat kid. No matter who us to blame. Truthfully, I don't strictly 'hate' anybody, but the spirit of fph lives strong in my soul. I guess I ubderstand your point, this is not a 'free speech zone' when assessed subverse by subverse, but there must be some order or everything would just be /v/whatever and that wouldn't be very effective. The spirut of voat in general is to not ban or censor and when that changes, I will fucking leave.
KingoftheMolePeople ago
Are you suggesting that subs not be able to ban? FPH is a non default sub, they have rules. You broke their rules. You also havent been baned from Voat. You are free to make your own FatHate sub.
The system subs are different, and youd have to try to get banned from one.
tanukihat ago
This is organic discussion, of the type you get when a platform is not actively censored. This is how most people feel.
smallpond ago
Bullshit. Voat is actively censored through CCP-restrictions. The discussion is not organic when those holding unpopular opinions fall silent due to being temporarily banned from commenting.
Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because my views are unpopular here I have less than 100 CCP, and am temporarily banned as soon as I make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech. Don’t be a hypocrite and pretend that it does.
tanukihat ago
I'm sorry you're so unpopular :(((
GoodGodKirk ago
There can be great discussions on opinions, but beware the shills.
AOU ago
You're free to express yours, we are free to disagree.
crazy_eyes ago
Small brains fail to see a lot of things