Luciferians... they been with us since the beginning of time wearing different names. They are fake jews, fake Christians, fake politicians... tear off their masks and you will see them luciferians. That is why pedophilia will never go away until we rid the world of lucifer and his worshipers.
‘When a foreigner resides’ - you get to decide if he resides. Also if he resides he must obey your laws and pay the same penalities for breaking any of them. Worshiping foreign gods is definately against the law.
Great synopsis of how Commies infiltrated the Church in A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing featured on EWTN recently. Infiltrating the Church with men who had no true vocations to the priesthood was encouraged by communist agents and contributed significantly the mess the Church is now in, and tragically, the decline and conquering of Western ideals.
page 57: the Reynolds heirs bloodlines of illuminati connection. from killing America with cigarettes to killing them with 3d world trash. may bankruptcy and dismemberment be their legacy.
The Catholic Church is in all honesty the only hope for the civilized world ... and it has been taken over by fcking modernist-pedo-faggot-commie scumbags.
Yes, they have reached the top of the hierarchy for now, but they will not prevail. The Church is the people—the Body of Christ, the bride of Christ—and it will overcome the evil within.
No. That's exactly what they wanted. Doing what they want is not tge y huh ing yo fo. Hunker down snd stand for your religion..its not the religion but the evil people trying to de add troy her that are the problem.
Implying Christianity was ever not corrupt and pushing an NWO.
GTFO of here with all this trash. So many ignorant ass people on third board post bogus shit like this with no apparent knowledge of context and history behind a subject, let alone without applying some sort of logic along with that knowledge.
Just because there are dots on a page doesnt mean they connect in whatever direction one wants them to simply because it can be done...
Christianity for all intensive purposes hasn't been much better throughout history compared to Muslims, they just happen to have been around longer and in the western world so have evolved/adapted some to be more civilized. Give Islam another 400 or so years to catch up to Christianity\s age and I bet it will mellow out as well.
Have you read the Qu'ran? I have. The Qu'ran draws an extreme gap between the people of Islam and anyone who even dares to think about refusing to go along with their beliefs. The disbelievers are mentioned prominently throughout the entire book. The Qu'ran encourages segregation and forcing other people and religions to abide by Islamic laws or pay hefty taxes per day or die. There isn't much of a gray area in Islam to work with. They just hate people who dissent or call them out for radical beliefs because they leap into the notion that criticizing Islam is criticizing God. Islam will never change. Throughout history, it will never change. It's designed for the survival of the race that believes in it, not the prosperity of all races on the planet.
I like how you are implying the bible doesn't have similar content.
do you know many muslims? with your view, i'm guessing not, and would further guess you probably never made it an aim to since 'oooh scary muslim god they all want us dead' ... you know, kinda how CHRISTIANITY behaved and made people feel back in the day.
get to know some muslims. go get some turkish coffee and chat with some of the hadji's at your local halal grocery/cafe. you may be surprised to find that they mirror christianity quite a bit. you have your older, fundamentalist types, your nutjobs, your sinners trying to appear sin free, your squeaky clean ones, and the majority being your casual ones who just want to get by and while they believe in their god and have faith are ultimately not being bound to a book especially word for word since after all it is written by men. something else is to understand their sarcasm. majority of the muslims i know are cool as fuck and have no will to violence nor want to annihilate christianity or take over things... some of them even go against what in your mind maybe applies to all muslims, which is some eat damn near anything and dont think twice about picking up some shell fish or eating pork and non halal products.
people are people, and behave as such. religion does nothing but divide people, not conquer them. quit being an ignorant cunt and get out and experience the world, get some cultural immersion.
the problem with islam/muslims is when there are countries who attempt to use it as law and essentially hold it over the heads of their citizens, and in turn use it to repress and oppress them from learning and evolving and adapting to modern life... similar to any dictatorship, north korea for example.
Countries who try to use Islam as "law" are simply muzzie majority countries. Countries that aren't muzzie majority don't try to use Sharia, but that is the end goal of muzzie immigration. You know any muzzie majority countries that don't use the Koran / are secular? And no, Malaysia is not.
Another thing. Read the Qu'ran yourself if you think Muslims and Islam are good things. Then, compare the habits of Jesus and Prophet Muhammad against each other. There is a vast difference in the way they conducted their daily lives. Jesus was a holy man, and Prophet Muhammad was a warlike dictator. Prophet Muhammad's last words were a death threat to the Christians and the Jews. He literally said that they should be damned for building their own places of worship on land he considered holy. Right before the Muslims did the exact same thing. Seriously, look into Prophet Muhammad. Many Muslims consider this man a hero and view him through rose tinted glasses, when in reality, he was a disgraceful human being, barely worthy of even being called a human.
I suggest you humble yourself and actually read both books - bible and Quran. Its plain as day that you didnt literally do that. I have made great effort to read and research and reference the bible and Quran, both very large tasks that take years to do. I would imagine your "reading" the Quran is you read some snippets from it, or some cherry picked pieces to make it look bad... similar to how atheists will do with the bible. Why do I assume that? Because your talking points are the common toolkit handed out by schills from Christians/Christian-right idiots. The same way the left give out talking points and indoctrinate people into believing socialist bullshit.by providing cherry picked info to brainwash idiots for their agenda who wont otherwise truly think freely so are easy prey to manipulate.
Ill go through your points however...
Mohammed is not meant to be God, christ is. That is the principle difference there. Need proof that this matters? Consider anyone else in the bible, even the disciples. Do any vicious warlords and ultraviolent maniacs come to mind? Let me name a few ... David, Joshua, Samson, Michael the archangel, Saul, ahab. Do you need me to go on?
Mohammed didnt make a death threat in his last words. Feel free to quote which passage for me. Assuming you had some one dictate it to you, or didnt read an actual copy but some doctored up soundbyte. As with the bible, again, men like to muddle around to twist such a powerful tool to their own devices.
You do understand Mohammed is the last of the prophets supposedly as prophecized in the bible, the one who comes after jesus before christ comes back as the warrior king or redeemer or however you wanna phrase it.
Consider how many death calls are in the bible. None of this in the Quran is unprecedented. Likewise, neither is manipulation of it by authorities to control masses unprecedented.
Christ has a great message and all, but the problem is many of his followers are self righteous idiots. Again, mirrored in Islam.
The problem in understanding the books, history and trajectory of other religions is that one has to be able to be objective about their own religion.
Clearly you have been incapable of such.
Islam isnt going away, much to the chagrin of modern Christians who are ignorant of it. Just as christianity wasnt going away, much to the chagrin of jews at that time. Just as Judaism wasnt going away , much to the chagrin of polytheists/paganists at that time.
Wake the fuck up. True, objective reality is there, but it requires taking off the blinders to see it. The truth being that the books are more or less all the same - inspirations from God, written and manipulated over time by men in order to gain control and power.
Not to say there isnt a God, but that is a separate issue from hashing out what is/isnt in a specific book or religion or history for that matter.
You took a lot of time to compose your answer, and there are somethings on which we clearly agree.
You seem to approach all religions with the same amount of indifference to each one necessary to see each one flaws. However, the sad truth exists that some religions are better than others. The real reason that I feel Christianity is superior to Islam is because of the values that it imparts. Every religion at some point wanted conquest, but Christian values are what built the West and the foundation of America, the home that I love and plan to be buried in.
Jesus was never divine, you are correct about that, but even Islam considered Jesus to be a Prophet of God. I've never raised Jesus over my own ideals as a paragon of virtue simply because I'm certain that he was about as human as I tend to be. That doesn't mean that he didn't wake up every day with the thought of trying to be a better human being than he was yesterday.
You are right, I've read very little of the Bible, something that I should probably take another look at more often, especially considering my new studies into Napoleon Hill's Outwitting the Devil. I've also had the pleasure of meeting a group of really old Christians, ones who told me stories of things going on back in the 1960s and onward, when Russia banned the sale and even ownership of Bibles as a way to prevent "corrupting Western influence." Groups sprung up that would smuggle the Bibles into Russia into the hands of people who were looking to distribute them to anyone who was willing to listen. They risked a lot of things and put themselves in very immediate danger; some were discovered and managed to escape, while others disappeared. Even despite these risks, they still continued to try. To me, it's a courage that I find resembles a military group. The ability to keep fighting for something they believe in.
Despite everything, I still think you're opinion is valid. And I'm not closed off enough to not want to learn at least one thing from anyone who disagrees with me. If you feel the same, look into the last words that Prophet Muhammad said on your own. There's a bunch of different people out there competing to lift him up into the divinity as flawed as you have said doing so with Jesus would be. The whole story behind his death is really confusing and strange too. After winning a military victory, he captured a slave woman from the army he defeated and forced her to cook his celebratory meal. She instead poisoned the meal, and one of his followers who ate the poisoned meal died as well. There are some who say the poison is what caused him to say his last words, but his last words were "May Allah curse the Christians and the Jews for they have built places to worship at the graves of the prophets."
As someone who grew up in Islam his entire life (I was raised in my younger years inside of a religious school and learned to read and write Arabic), I think it's very important to have a cynical view of religion because it is a tool corrupt people use to gain an advantage against others who choose to voice dissent. But it's important to remember the religions and the emotions of the people who came and laid the foundation upon which you have built your entire life. I thank God every day that I was born here in California. The life that I have built for myself is here and I wouldn't give it up for anything, but I see more often that our leaders are more willing to cater to other groups and religions than stick to the core American values that helped build it.
Jesus was a main deified by other men. He was not holy, no more so than you are. He remembered himself and his inner divinity, he was taught and shown the way. He was still but a mortal man, no different than you and I.
The error is in how people deify him, instead of seeking to become like him. By placing him on high, you view yourself as never being his equal and so, never seek to try.
Okay. So how about I challenge YOUR beliefs and tell you that I am a Muslim and that I know only half of what you said is remotely true?
You are absolutely right about certain types of Muslims being nice and acting similarly to Christianity, but those Muslims are nowhere near the majority, they make up a very tiny part of the overall group. I fall under that category, but just the act of admitting that I do so cut me off from both of my parents who view eating pork as a sin. Both of them refuse to talk to me at all. I have never done anything worthy of being cast out of any religion, but to them, indulging in a "sin" once, and then refusing to stop means that you are addicted and for some reason irredeemable. And don't even get me started on the completely out there views that some of my family members have. One of my uncles burned down a house he used to own because he viewed the house as "unlucky." The house was empty and no one was put in danger, but he was deported. There is a certain madness that runs through the Islamic culture, one that you can only experience first hand. And once you do, believe me, you never want to see it again. Don't believe me? Talk to a soldier stationed out in Afghanistan for a few years, and ask about if he ever was told to avoid certain areas because there is a literal danger of being raped.
Also, shellfish is totally okay for any Muslim to eat, what gave you idea that we could not? Any type of seafood is considered halal, you can only cook seafood in limited ways. It's other meats from animals like beef, pork, chicken, turkey, or sheep that need to be killed in a certain method to make the meat halal. Seems like you don't know anything about what you are talking about.
Regarding the laws of the countries that you are talking about? The leaders that govern those countries are still voted into power. Those leaders choose how the laws are enforced, not how the laws are made. The laws might tend to be moderate, but it's the enforcement of those laws that becomes extreme very quickly. Even then, remove a portion of the population and get them to govern themselves, watch how quickly those dictatorships will emerge. The Muslim world is fundamentally opposed to studying different political philosophies, so much so that dissenters are routinely killed for just reporting on negative aspects of laws and governments. You can't progress in a society that completely opposes truth and research.
I may need to get out more, but you need to get more informed. Read about how many other journalists Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries kill on a regular basis. Khashoggi was nowhere near the first.
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And yes I am speaking about my experience in the US. If history is a teacher that I am claiming it to be it's that majority of muslims still living under religious rule and in countries that arent free, yes have more of a bent and penchant towards going with violence or bad behavior and fundamentalism... this mirrors christianitys ascent to modern day quite well.
Yes I thought shellfish wasn't halal. That is enough to write me off.
What you say about how the bad laws and governing and society are going on is exactly supporting my point- which if yourecall, was that muslims/islam are mirroring the rise of christianity. In a few hundred years as long as progress continues, eventually it will hit a point of having caught up. It will have evolved essentially
The only big concern with having a religion so large but yet still coming out of its primitive phase, is that unlike during christianity, there are now technologies that could devastate the whole world.in the name of God. At the same time, there are technologies, like the internet foe example, which could exponentially spread hate and disinformation but also stand to do the opposite and advance growth and enlightenment and peace. Similar to how the spread of libraries and presses did in the western world over time.
The key to all of this is to help the cavemen in our world (Christians, muslims or others) rise up and wise up.
And you're right I'm not well versed in everything Islamic culture but I know my friends here stateside and see how big of a change just being in a free culture has.. and yes I've heard of excommunication of their family and friends at times especially back home.. but the proof is in the pudding in that being exposed to a free society changes people, and that change when projected over the course of 3 generations (the amount purported to require change psychologically away from the imprints of the parents on the psyche) is a move towards a better society. It will take more time and that sadly is our worst enemy .. time... especially with all the qanon stuff going on, if that doesnt succeed then things will get worse as a whole before improving.
Give Islam another 400 or so years to catch up to Christianity\s age and I bet it will mellow out as well.
At this point in Christian history Christendom was well the renaissance exploring into new reaches philosophically and scientifically and only a few short decades away from the enlightenment and the concept of the value of the individual was centuries old. Islam is still full of inbreed, dark age goat fuckers, so survey says you don't know what the fuck your talking about.
WRITTEN BY THE BLOOD STAINED PAGES OF THE CHRISTIAN ETHOS
All of human history is blood stained the idea that you focus on Christian history if it was somehow unique in that regard either marks you as disingenuous or myopic.
I'll totally take History as written by the (((Winners))) at face fucking value.
Yeah that's why the (((Winners))) have spent the last few decades trying to minimize or demonize that history.
Survey says you still don't know what your talking about and writing in all caps marks you as an emotional little bitch.
"Hurr durr, I'm ignorant of history but since my feelings want something to be true I'll say someone doesnt know what they're talking about"
Nice tactic.... take that from the extreme leftists? Kinda how they argue as well.. no actual substance, just refuetal based on emotion.
Opinions are not facts my friend.
You conveniently or ignorantly left out the whole inquisition and witch trials, let alone lingering remnants of a dark past that still hide in the shadows to this day and pop up now and again in generally offshoots and once off instances from smaller sects.
But yes, go on thinking christianity has been golden for the last 600 years.
Oh you have some arguable defense for the witch trials and inquisition? Oh this is gonna be good, let me get some popcorn and do enlighten me as to the good reasons for them lmfao next you're gonna say the holocaust never happened and the earth is only 6000 years old and dinosaur bones were put here by the devil to trick us I bet..
Seriously, please, many of us are dying to hear your defense for the inquisition and witch trials. Do go on. Enlighten us.
Thanks for showing your true source of ignorance.. just another scared racist coward apparently. Also, not a jew, but i love the lizard brain cavemen mentality of you calling me that. Clearly you're out of your league when it comes to using your thinker.
That doesnt make the inquisition okay or less violent .. do u not remember the point? It was that muslims are still coming out of their violent phase as a religion, much as Christianity was ... go read the context you fuckin dumbdumb
Still cant refute those witch trials can ya big boy
"Hurr durr, I'm ignorant of history but since my feelings want something to be true I'll say someone doesnt know what they're talking about"
Nice tactic.... take that from the extreme leftists? Kinda how they argue as well.. no actual substance, just refuetal based on emotion.
Opinions are not facts my friend.
And nary a fact contained in the above
You conveniently or ignorantly left out the whole inquisition and witch trials, let alone lingering remnants of a dark past that still hide in the shadows to this day and pop up now and again in generally offshoots and once off instances from smaller sects.
Retard, do you know how inconsequential the Spanish Inquisition was? In the 356 years it was in effect 150,000 people were tried and of those the modern upper estimate is 5,000 executed. That amounts to 14 people a year. So I guess Herp Derp dumb fuck, you fell for its annudah Shoah.
How so? I don't attend a church. If you're talking by way of taxes just what are we to do about that? You either pay taxes or lose everything and take a one way trip to a 8x8 cell.
If you're giving charity like a Christian is supposed to, those "Christian" charities are giving the money to "refugees". Samaritan's Purse is a good example. They show you pictures of Indochinese children with no food or potable water or education and then give the money to Rohingya Muslims instead.
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15901440? ago
Luciferians... they been with us since the beginning of time wearing different names. They are fake jews, fake Christians, fake politicians... tear off their masks and you will see them luciferians. That is why pedophilia will never go away until we rid the world of lucifer and his worshipers.
15898261? ago
Pdf warning pleasse
15898015? ago
It's almost like some passages in the bible were written by modern day Marxists with the same agenda.
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15906692? ago
‘When a foreigner resides’ - you get to decide if he resides. Also if he resides he must obey your laws and pay the same penalities for breaking any of them. Worshiping foreign gods is definately against the law.
15897759? ago
Christcucks are always getting tricked.
15897341? ago
Get Jew-deo out of Christianity. Read what the Talmud says about Lord Jesus.
15895702? ago
Great synopsis of how Commies infiltrated the Church in A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing featured on EWTN recently. Infiltrating the Church with men who had no true vocations to the priesthood was encouraged by communist agents and contributed significantly the mess the Church is now in, and tragically, the decline and conquering of Western ideals.
15895104? ago
Read The Thunder of Justice. Found on Amazon. Illuminati infiltration began in earnest right after the French revolution.
15894784? ago
page 57: the Reynolds heirs bloodlines of illuminati connection. from killing America with cigarettes to killing them with 3d world trash. may bankruptcy and dismemberment be their legacy.
15894737? ago
There is only one Creator, once there was one religion.
It's our job to bring it back full cycle. Well, it's one guy's job.
If you're Roman Catholic, get out now. That will be the first to be dismantled.
God is back, and hell is riding with him.
15895716? ago
The Church will prevail. It is Christ’s bride.
15903557? ago
Yes and a huge no.
It will be reshaped hugely.
15899634? ago
the church is not an institution, but the entirety of the believers.
nothing in the vatican is or ever was godly.
15896150? ago
The Catholic Church is in all honesty the only hope for the civilized world ... and it has been taken over by fcking modernist-pedo-faggot-commie scumbags.
15897001? ago
Yes, they have reached the top of the hierarchy for now, but they will not prevail. The Church is the people—the Body of Christ, the bride of Christ—and it will overcome the evil within.
15900058? ago
No, it won't. No "Institution" can save anything but itself.
15896581? ago
Martin Luther was a saint for leaving the "Church".
15897394? ago
Protestantism --> 30,000+ denominations = chaos
15895251? ago
That's why there was the Spanish Inquisition procedures in the past - to get rid of muslims that infiltrated and pretended to be Christian.
15895136? ago
No. That's exactly what they wanted. Doing what they want is not tge y huh ing yo fo. Hunker down snd stand for your religion..its not the religion but the evil people trying to de add troy her that are the problem.
15894637? ago
Implying Christianity was ever not corrupt and pushing an NWO.
GTFO of here with all this trash. So many ignorant ass people on third board post bogus shit like this with no apparent knowledge of context and history behind a subject, let alone without applying some sort of logic along with that knowledge.
Just because there are dots on a page doesnt mean they connect in whatever direction one wants them to simply because it can be done...
Christianity for all intensive purposes hasn't been much better throughout history compared to Muslims, they just happen to have been around longer and in the western world so have evolved/adapted some to be more civilized. Give Islam another 400 or so years to catch up to Christianity\s age and I bet it will mellow out as well.
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Have you read the Qu'ran? I have. The Qu'ran draws an extreme gap between the people of Islam and anyone who even dares to think about refusing to go along with their beliefs. The disbelievers are mentioned prominently throughout the entire book. The Qu'ran encourages segregation and forcing other people and religions to abide by Islamic laws or pay hefty taxes per day or die. There isn't much of a gray area in Islam to work with. They just hate people who dissent or call them out for radical beliefs because they leap into the notion that criticizing Islam is criticizing God. Islam will never change. Throughout history, it will never change. It's designed for the survival of the race that believes in it, not the prosperity of all races on the planet.
15897048? ago
I like how you are implying the bible doesn't have similar content.
do you know many muslims? with your view, i'm guessing not, and would further guess you probably never made it an aim to since 'oooh scary muslim god they all want us dead' ... you know, kinda how CHRISTIANITY behaved and made people feel back in the day.
get to know some muslims. go get some turkish coffee and chat with some of the hadji's at your local halal grocery/cafe. you may be surprised to find that they mirror christianity quite a bit. you have your older, fundamentalist types, your nutjobs, your sinners trying to appear sin free, your squeaky clean ones, and the majority being your casual ones who just want to get by and while they believe in their god and have faith are ultimately not being bound to a book especially word for word since after all it is written by men. something else is to understand their sarcasm. majority of the muslims i know are cool as fuck and have no will to violence nor want to annihilate christianity or take over things... some of them even go against what in your mind maybe applies to all muslims, which is some eat damn near anything and dont think twice about picking up some shell fish or eating pork and non halal products.
people are people, and behave as such. religion does nothing but divide people, not conquer them. quit being an ignorant cunt and get out and experience the world, get some cultural immersion.
the problem with islam/muslims is when there are countries who attempt to use it as law and essentially hold it over the heads of their citizens, and in turn use it to repress and oppress them from learning and evolving and adapting to modern life... similar to any dictatorship, north korea for example.
15903108? ago
Countries who try to use Islam as "law" are simply muzzie majority countries. Countries that aren't muzzie majority don't try to use Sharia, but that is the end goal of muzzie immigration. You know any muzzie majority countries that don't use the Koran / are secular? And no, Malaysia is not.
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Another thing. Read the Qu'ran yourself if you think Muslims and Islam are good things. Then, compare the habits of Jesus and Prophet Muhammad against each other. There is a vast difference in the way they conducted their daily lives. Jesus was a holy man, and Prophet Muhammad was a warlike dictator. Prophet Muhammad's last words were a death threat to the Christians and the Jews. He literally said that they should be damned for building their own places of worship on land he considered holy. Right before the Muslims did the exact same thing. Seriously, look into Prophet Muhammad. Many Muslims consider this man a hero and view him through rose tinted glasses, when in reality, he was a disgraceful human being, barely worthy of even being called a human.
15900934? ago
I suggest you humble yourself and actually read both books - bible and Quran. Its plain as day that you didnt literally do that. I have made great effort to read and research and reference the bible and Quran, both very large tasks that take years to do. I would imagine your "reading" the Quran is you read some snippets from it, or some cherry picked pieces to make it look bad... similar to how atheists will do with the bible. Why do I assume that? Because your talking points are the common toolkit handed out by schills from Christians/Christian-right idiots. The same way the left give out talking points and indoctrinate people into believing socialist bullshit.by providing cherry picked info to brainwash idiots for their agenda who wont otherwise truly think freely so are easy prey to manipulate.
Ill go through your points however...
Mohammed is not meant to be God, christ is. That is the principle difference there. Need proof that this matters? Consider anyone else in the bible, even the disciples. Do any vicious warlords and ultraviolent maniacs come to mind? Let me name a few ... David, Joshua, Samson, Michael the archangel, Saul, ahab. Do you need me to go on?
Mohammed didnt make a death threat in his last words. Feel free to quote which passage for me. Assuming you had some one dictate it to you, or didnt read an actual copy but some doctored up soundbyte. As with the bible, again, men like to muddle around to twist such a powerful tool to their own devices.
You do understand Mohammed is the last of the prophets supposedly as prophecized in the bible, the one who comes after jesus before christ comes back as the warrior king or redeemer or however you wanna phrase it.
Consider how many death calls are in the bible. None of this in the Quran is unprecedented. Likewise, neither is manipulation of it by authorities to control masses unprecedented.
Christ has a great message and all, but the problem is many of his followers are self righteous idiots. Again, mirrored in Islam.
The problem in understanding the books, history and trajectory of other religions is that one has to be able to be objective about their own religion.
Clearly you have been incapable of such.
Islam isnt going away, much to the chagrin of modern Christians who are ignorant of it. Just as christianity wasnt going away, much to the chagrin of jews at that time. Just as Judaism wasnt going away , much to the chagrin of polytheists/paganists at that time.
Wake the fuck up. True, objective reality is there, but it requires taking off the blinders to see it. The truth being that the books are more or less all the same - inspirations from God, written and manipulated over time by men in order to gain control and power.
Not to say there isnt a God, but that is a separate issue from hashing out what is/isnt in a specific book or religion or history for that matter.
15905646? ago
You took a lot of time to compose your answer, and there are somethings on which we clearly agree.
You seem to approach all religions with the same amount of indifference to each one necessary to see each one flaws. However, the sad truth exists that some religions are better than others. The real reason that I feel Christianity is superior to Islam is because of the values that it imparts. Every religion at some point wanted conquest, but Christian values are what built the West and the foundation of America, the home that I love and plan to be buried in.
Jesus was never divine, you are correct about that, but even Islam considered Jesus to be a Prophet of God. I've never raised Jesus over my own ideals as a paragon of virtue simply because I'm certain that he was about as human as I tend to be. That doesn't mean that he didn't wake up every day with the thought of trying to be a better human being than he was yesterday.
You are right, I've read very little of the Bible, something that I should probably take another look at more often, especially considering my new studies into Napoleon Hill's Outwitting the Devil. I've also had the pleasure of meeting a group of really old Christians, ones who told me stories of things going on back in the 1960s and onward, when Russia banned the sale and even ownership of Bibles as a way to prevent "corrupting Western influence." Groups sprung up that would smuggle the Bibles into Russia into the hands of people who were looking to distribute them to anyone who was willing to listen. They risked a lot of things and put themselves in very immediate danger; some were discovered and managed to escape, while others disappeared. Even despite these risks, they still continued to try. To me, it's a courage that I find resembles a military group. The ability to keep fighting for something they believe in.
Despite everything, I still think you're opinion is valid. And I'm not closed off enough to not want to learn at least one thing from anyone who disagrees with me. If you feel the same, look into the last words that Prophet Muhammad said on your own. There's a bunch of different people out there competing to lift him up into the divinity as flawed as you have said doing so with Jesus would be. The whole story behind his death is really confusing and strange too. After winning a military victory, he captured a slave woman from the army he defeated and forced her to cook his celebratory meal. She instead poisoned the meal, and one of his followers who ate the poisoned meal died as well. There are some who say the poison is what caused him to say his last words, but his last words were "May Allah curse the Christians and the Jews for they have built places to worship at the graves of the prophets."
As someone who grew up in Islam his entire life (I was raised in my younger years inside of a religious school and learned to read and write Arabic), I think it's very important to have a cynical view of religion because it is a tool corrupt people use to gain an advantage against others who choose to voice dissent. But it's important to remember the religions and the emotions of the people who came and laid the foundation upon which you have built your entire life. I thank God every day that I was born here in California. The life that I have built for myself is here and I wouldn't give it up for anything, but I see more often that our leaders are more willing to cater to other groups and religions than stick to the core American values that helped build it.
15900088? ago
Jesus was a main deified by other men. He was not holy, no more so than you are. He remembered himself and his inner divinity, he was taught and shown the way. He was still but a mortal man, no different than you and I.
The error is in how people deify him, instead of seeking to become like him. By placing him on high, you view yourself as never being his equal and so, never seek to try.
15898775? ago
Okay. So how about I challenge YOUR beliefs and tell you that I am a Muslim and that I know only half of what you said is remotely true?
You are absolutely right about certain types of Muslims being nice and acting similarly to Christianity, but those Muslims are nowhere near the majority, they make up a very tiny part of the overall group. I fall under that category, but just the act of admitting that I do so cut me off from both of my parents who view eating pork as a sin. Both of them refuse to talk to me at all. I have never done anything worthy of being cast out of any religion, but to them, indulging in a "sin" once, and then refusing to stop means that you are addicted and for some reason irredeemable. And don't even get me started on the completely out there views that some of my family members have. One of my uncles burned down a house he used to own because he viewed the house as "unlucky." The house was empty and no one was put in danger, but he was deported. There is a certain madness that runs through the Islamic culture, one that you can only experience first hand. And once you do, believe me, you never want to see it again. Don't believe me? Talk to a soldier stationed out in Afghanistan for a few years, and ask about if he ever was told to avoid certain areas because there is a literal danger of being raped.
Also, shellfish is totally okay for any Muslim to eat, what gave you idea that we could not? Any type of seafood is considered halal, you can only cook seafood in limited ways. It's other meats from animals like beef, pork, chicken, turkey, or sheep that need to be killed in a certain method to make the meat halal. Seems like you don't know anything about what you are talking about.
Regarding the laws of the countries that you are talking about? The leaders that govern those countries are still voted into power. Those leaders choose how the laws are enforced, not how the laws are made. The laws might tend to be moderate, but it's the enforcement of those laws that becomes extreme very quickly. Even then, remove a portion of the population and get them to govern themselves, watch how quickly those dictatorships will emerge. The Muslim world is fundamentally opposed to studying different political philosophies, so much so that dissenters are routinely killed for just reporting on negative aspects of laws and governments. You can't progress in a society that completely opposes truth and research. I may need to get out more, but you need to get more informed. Read about how many other journalists Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries kill on a regular basis. Khashoggi was nowhere near the first.
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15901137? ago
Thanks for chiming in.
And yes I am speaking about my experience in the US. If history is a teacher that I am claiming it to be it's that majority of muslims still living under religious rule and in countries that arent free, yes have more of a bent and penchant towards going with violence or bad behavior and fundamentalism... this mirrors christianitys ascent to modern day quite well.
Yes I thought shellfish wasn't halal. That is enough to write me off.
What you say about how the bad laws and governing and society are going on is exactly supporting my point- which if yourecall, was that muslims/islam are mirroring the rise of christianity. In a few hundred years as long as progress continues, eventually it will hit a point of having caught up. It will have evolved essentially
The only big concern with having a religion so large but yet still coming out of its primitive phase, is that unlike during christianity, there are now technologies that could devastate the whole world.in the name of God. At the same time, there are technologies, like the internet foe example, which could exponentially spread hate and disinformation but also stand to do the opposite and advance growth and enlightenment and peace. Similar to how the spread of libraries and presses did in the western world over time.
The key to all of this is to help the cavemen in our world (Christians, muslims or others) rise up and wise up.
And you're right I'm not well versed in everything Islamic culture but I know my friends here stateside and see how big of a change just being in a free culture has.. and yes I've heard of excommunication of their family and friends at times especially back home.. but the proof is in the pudding in that being exposed to a free society changes people, and that change when projected over the course of 3 generations (the amount purported to require change psychologically away from the imprints of the parents on the psyche) is a move towards a better society. It will take more time and that sadly is our worst enemy .. time... especially with all the qanon stuff going on, if that doesnt succeed then things will get worse as a whole before improving.
15895066? ago
At this point in Christian history Christendom was well the renaissance exploring into new reaches philosophically and scientifically and only a few short decades away from the enlightenment and the concept of the value of the individual was centuries old. Islam is still full of inbreed, dark age goat fuckers, so survey says you don't know what the fuck your talking about.
15900070? ago
Yeah, WRITTEN BY THE BLOOD STAINED PAGES OF THE CHRISTIAN ETHOS. I'll totally take History as written by the (((Winners))) at face fucking value.
15900727? ago
All of human history is blood stained the idea that you focus on Christian history if it was somehow unique in that regard either marks you as disingenuous or myopic.
Yeah that's why the (((Winners))) have spent the last few decades trying to minimize or demonize that history.
Survey says you still don't know what your talking about and writing in all caps marks you as an emotional little bitch.
15895613? ago
"Hurr durr, I'm ignorant of history but since my feelings want something to be true I'll say someone doesnt know what they're talking about"
Nice tactic.... take that from the extreme leftists? Kinda how they argue as well.. no actual substance, just refuetal based on emotion.
Opinions are not facts my friend.
You conveniently or ignorantly left out the whole inquisition and witch trials, let alone lingering remnants of a dark past that still hide in the shadows to this day and pop up now and again in generally offshoots and once off instances from smaller sects.
But yes, go on thinking christianity has been golden for the last 600 years.
15900170? ago
Conveniently left out the reasons for said inquisition and witch trials. lol
15900300? ago
Oh you have some arguable defense for the witch trials and inquisition? Oh this is gonna be good, let me get some popcorn and do enlighten me as to the good reasons for them lmfao next you're gonna say the holocaust never happened and the earth is only 6000 years old and dinosaur bones were put here by the devil to trick us I bet..
Seriously, please, many of us are dying to hear your defense for the inquisition and witch trials. Do go on. Enlighten us.
15900343? ago
Sure, the Spaniards spent 700 years enslaved under moslem and jew occupation.
Expelling them after reconquest was a no brainer.
The witch trials stopped happening, that's why we have Hillary and Soros.
Worthless jew.
15901212? ago
Thanks for showing your true source of ignorance.. just another scared racist coward apparently. Also, not a jew, but i love the lizard brain cavemen mentality of you calling me that. Clearly you're out of your league when it comes to using your thinker.
That doesnt make the inquisition okay or less violent .. do u not remember the point? It was that muslims are still coming out of their violent phase as a religion, much as Christianity was ... go read the context you fuckin dumbdumb
Still cant refute those witch trials can ya big boy
15901388? ago
Yes, it does and there is nothing wrong with defending your nation with violence
Except that the Crusades and the Inquisition were in self defense. Moslems attacked everyone from the word, "go". lol
Nigger loving moron.
15897586? ago
And nary a fact contained in the above
Retard, do you know how inconsequential the Spanish Inquisition was? In the 356 years it was in effect 150,000 people were tried and of those the modern upper estimate is 5,000 executed. That amounts to 14 people a year. So I guess Herp Derp dumb fuck, you fell for its annudah Shoah.
15893842? ago
How so? I don't attend a church. If you're talking by way of taxes just what are we to do about that? You either pay taxes or lose everything and take a one way trip to a 8x8 cell.
15903612? ago
If you're giving charity like a Christian is supposed to, those "Christian" charities are giving the money to "refugees". Samaritan's Purse is a good example. They show you pictures of Indochinese children with no food or potable water or education and then give the money to Rohingya Muslims instead.
15895112? ago
No not taxes
15893788? ago
. . . by the Jews.
15894365? ago
Which Jews? There are many kinds.
15900180? ago
And they're all scum.
15907973? ago
I don't have a problem with Torah Jews, so long as they aren't sucking baby dick, but I suspect those are Talmudic Jews.
Every copy of the Talmud should be burned.
15908046? ago
There's no difference, the inbreeding is not curable.
15908078? ago
Jews aren't the only people with an inbreeding problem.
15908512? ago
If they aren't European, they don't belong.
15896214? ago
Does it matter? Gas the Kikes race war now.
15894403? ago
Jew identified. What now?
15893762? ago
Thanks Israel!
15893598? ago
Read windswept house by Malachi Martin.
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