This is short-sighted. You SHOULD avoid jew-owned dna testing companies for obvious reasons (23andme, and FamilyTreeDNA for a start). Understand however that those who wish to do surveillance and have the power to use it are perfectly capable of assembling this without your contribution.
One reason for the anti-DNA test memeing is that it connects people to their roots and their families. Ancestry DNA is not jew-owned and comes with a really great genealogy tool that can basically map your family tree if you have even basic info about your grandparents. THIS IS WHAT THEY REALLY DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE.
Another factor is that DNA tests have revealed that race-mixing is very uncommon historically. Additionally, cuckoldry will be called-out by DNA testing. The reasons are quite long and outweigh basic "survelliance!" paranoia. The truth is that anyone out to target you individually using DNA can get it without any real trouble and certainly has the resources to do so.
The reasons are quite long and outweigh basic "survelliance!" paranoia.
I just witnessed an almost 5 year old account call invasion of Privacy by an overreaching Government and it's unconstitutional alphabet agencies "paranoia".
Ancestry DNA is not jew-owned and comes with a really great genealogy tool that can basically map your family tree if you have even basic info about your grandparents.
If you don't understand the depth of the surveillance already underway you are severely underinformed. The solution is not to play whack-a-mole with each technology that comes out, the solution is to enforce the 4th amendment. In the meantime, be pragmatic.
DNA samples are owned when you send them to the company - of course they are, are you an idiot? Do you expect them to return them?
Privacy is long since lost in terms of data - that is technological reality. The only avenue you have is to manage how that data is used and that happens at the federal law level.
I just witnessed a newfag post a ThinkProgress link like he didn't know it's the DNC's propaganda outlet. No one wants your DNA in any form, I am certain.
DNA samples are owned when you send them to the company - of course they are, are you an idiot? Do you expect them to return them?
This is a relatively modern change to the existing legal structure.
I just witnessed a newfag post a ThinkProgress link like he didn't know it's the DNC's propaganda outlet.
It doesn't matter if it's a propaganda outlet or not when it demonstrates the reality of the legal situation around DNA ownership when using DNA testing kits.
No one wants your DNA in any form, I am certain.
If you don't understand the depth of risk associated with DNA evidence and the myriad of ways it can permanently effect your life in an era when China can take a cup you drank from and produce a set of underwear with semen matching your DNA just to blackmail you for whatever reason they may have you are severely under-informed as to the real risks.
You're lecturing me on privacy and then saying "it doesn't matter if it's a propaganda outlet." nigger it's full of lies and deceit by definition - do you not get that?
The first thing to understand about terms and services is that they can write whatever they want, but the courts with jurisdiction will determine what is valid or not. The fact that they can keep your DNA sample should not be a surprise to anyone. If you think it has large value, you're wrong. On an individual basis these spit tests are not that valuable. They only have value as aggregate data collections, and that is what might be sold. I'm fine with that and I think it's useful. If (((they))) can buy it, so can you. I look forward to people using these datasets to counteract social-engineering propaganda over the next decade. DNA isn't lying.
Regarding your example of being set-up, that's known. The STASI in E. Germany were doing this stuff decades before you were born. I highly suggest anyone with an interest read up on it. The solution was to oppose their rule, not oppose their methods. My point however is that if someone like the state police wanted to frame me, they can do it easily already. The effort it takes to make and plant DNA evidence is far greater than the effort to go collect some hairs or dust from my apartment when I'm at work. Do you get it now? Practically speaking nothing has changed.
The real risk of the DNA info being available is in criminal databases. They can take crime scene DNA and match people who have not been in criminal booking where DNA was collected. As I'm not inclined toward violent crimes, this doesn't particularly concern me. I do know that such evidence is not enough to convict on its own - the circumstances and other evidence would also have to support the case. The main usefulness to law enforcement is when they have no lead at all - this can let them fix on a possible suspect and target their evidence gathering in that way. Considering how lax our criminal law enforcement is at the judicial level in this era, I'm not at all concerned. Frankly, this should lead to more nigger and spic rapists getting taken off the streets before they can repeat offend.
My perspective changed a lot after the Snowden leaks revealed just how extensive the government surveillance infrastructure really was. It was far beyond what any of us paranoids thought and made it clear that "security" and "privacy" were a myth. If someone really wants to target YOU specifically, they can get you. The approach has to change under these circumstances, and it has. Basic opsec is more important and awareness of measures to mess with their data collection are really helpful. Data dragnets create their own problems and opportunities for us to stay off the radar.
DNA technology is inevitable and it's time to get comfortable with it. Huge datasets have been available for quite some time so I expect the truly nefarious have long since done their research regarding targeted bio weapons and such. Focus on the upsides, and the fact that we haven't nuked ourselves yet so probably no one smart enough to have this tech really wants to do that.
DNA proves that people are unequal, and it disproves the primary globohomo propaganda of our time which seeks to distort observable reality and dehumanize us all. I think DNA testing should be a routine medical procedure and would prefer people have the option to secure their data within that same framework, but we're not there just yet. In the meantime, learn about your history and relax - if the bad guys want you they'll get you whether or not you got a $60 dna test that let you know you weren't really a jew.
My perspective changed a lot after the Snowden leaks revealed just how extensive the government surveillance infrastructure really was.
Interesting. Can you give me a thousand foot comparison of before and after? I was pretty convinced of a lot of this prior to Snowden, Snowden was just more fuel to the fire so to speak. Honestly I'm still not really convinced anyone but Snowden knows Snowden's true motivation, regardless of what's been said.
Data dragnets create their own problems and opportunities for us to stay off the radar.
And more options to poison the well, if you're so inclined. My entire post history contains approximately 35% or more content specifically to poison the well.
Focus on the upsides, and the fact that we haven't nuked ourselves yet so probably no one smart enough to have this tech really wants to do that.
When the alternative is a fourth touring involving a repeat of the fall of Rome without any of the economic opportunity, you're painting a scary picture of a dystopian future for the next few hundred years if we're legitimately at the beginning of a technological Dark Ages.
I think DNA testing should be a routine medical procedure and would prefer people have the option to secure their data within that same framework, but we're not there just yet.
But Gattaca. Seriously. That's how you get Gattaca.
Gattaca is far in the future - CRISPR is what gets us there, and that cat's out of our hands. Fortunately, I suspect it's all much more complicated than people generally think (and early research after Human Genome Project completed confirmed that). Im sure there are plenty of chinese and jew frankenbabies that had to be aborted already after they realized they didn't really know yet how to manage such a complex, interlocking arrangement designed by intelligence far greater than their own. In observable life, there's a tendency for things to balance out. Very pretty people are often limited in other ways, very smart people are often physically weak, very strong people are often very stupid, etc. Consider that this is not a matter of breeding, but rather an inherent part of the puzzle. The way certain features are produced via DNA may well be connected to those flipside features that we all know and recognize. Decoupling them would be quite a challenge. GATTACA, to me, is something that occurs long after I've gratefully departed this world.
Regarding Snowden, he's probably a CIA guy who was unloaded against NSA. They seem to be fighting and burning each other's tools as part of a turf war. The example that really stood out was how they cracked some iPhones. Instead of finding holes in the software and all that, they simply had the orders REDIRECTED to their own Spook Apple store where they fulfilled the actual order, with a nice new real shrink-wrapped iphone, conveniently preinstalled with hardware hacks. Once you realize that the hacker you are working against has that degree of operational ability you have to accept that the arms race is fucking over.
I'm glad you get the data poisoning aspect - that's really the key. The more one understands data science, sampling, and modeling, the more one appreciates just how easy it is to take advantage of the "big data" situation. In many ways, they've weakened their ability to track individuals at the expense of learning about the larger group. My hunch is that this is responsible for some of the chaos we've seen in the past five years, where globhomo has obviously miscalculated and underestimated their opposition.
The 4th turning will come, like the full moon and the tides. In my estimation we won't see war until around 2026 - possibly a little bit later but almost certainly before 2031. With that in mind, I enjoy the calm and peace of the life we have now and make sure to take advantage of what we have available that may not be around forever. Never been to Rome? Go before 2024. And don't raise our kids soft - they'll live in a harder world than most of us grew up in and it's the zoloft-haze confused retards who will die off, not the people raised with some sense.
I second that and recommend acquiring knowledge, books, and archives. The truth and is always an early consequence of war and history is the last consequence.
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Empire_of_the_mind ago
This is short-sighted. You SHOULD avoid jew-owned dna testing companies for obvious reasons (23andme, and FamilyTreeDNA for a start). Understand however that those who wish to do surveillance and have the power to use it are perfectly capable of assembling this without your contribution.
One reason for the anti-DNA test memeing is that it connects people to their roots and their families. Ancestry DNA is not jew-owned and comes with a really great genealogy tool that can basically map your family tree if you have even basic info about your grandparents. THIS IS WHAT THEY REALLY DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE.
Another factor is that DNA tests have revealed that race-mixing is very uncommon historically. Additionally, cuckoldry will be called-out by DNA testing. The reasons are quite long and outweigh basic "survelliance!" paranoia. The truth is that anyone out to target you individually using DNA can get it without any real trouble and certainly has the resources to do so.
virge ago
I just witnessed an almost 5 year old account call invasion of Privacy by an overreaching Government and it's unconstitutional alphabet agencies "paranoia".
Ancestry.com takes DNA ownership rights from customers and their relatives. A word to the wise: Read the complete terms of service.
Motherfucker, you may not care about privacy, but most of us here do. This is terrible advice and you should legitimately be ashamed of yourself.
Empire_of_the_mind ago
If you don't understand the depth of the surveillance already underway you are severely underinformed. The solution is not to play whack-a-mole with each technology that comes out, the solution is to enforce the 4th amendment. In the meantime, be pragmatic.
DNA samples are owned when you send them to the company - of course they are, are you an idiot? Do you expect them to return them?
Privacy is long since lost in terms of data - that is technological reality. The only avenue you have is to manage how that data is used and that happens at the federal law level.
I just witnessed a newfag post a ThinkProgress link like he didn't know it's the DNC's propaganda outlet. No one wants your DNA in any form, I am certain.
virge ago
This is a relatively modern change to the existing legal structure.
It doesn't matter if it's a propaganda outlet or not when it demonstrates the reality of the legal situation around DNA ownership when using DNA testing kits.
If you don't understand the depth of risk associated with DNA evidence and the myriad of ways it can permanently effect your life in an era when China can take a cup you drank from and produce a set of underwear with semen matching your DNA just to blackmail you for whatever reason they may have you are severely under-informed as to the real risks.
Empire_of_the_mind ago
You're lecturing me on privacy and then saying "it doesn't matter if it's a propaganda outlet." nigger it's full of lies and deceit by definition - do you not get that?
The first thing to understand about terms and services is that they can write whatever they want, but the courts with jurisdiction will determine what is valid or not. The fact that they can keep your DNA sample should not be a surprise to anyone. If you think it has large value, you're wrong. On an individual basis these spit tests are not that valuable. They only have value as aggregate data collections, and that is what might be sold. I'm fine with that and I think it's useful. If (((they))) can buy it, so can you. I look forward to people using these datasets to counteract social-engineering propaganda over the next decade. DNA isn't lying.
Regarding your example of being set-up, that's known. The STASI in E. Germany were doing this stuff decades before you were born. I highly suggest anyone with an interest read up on it. The solution was to oppose their rule, not oppose their methods. My point however is that if someone like the state police wanted to frame me, they can do it easily already. The effort it takes to make and plant DNA evidence is far greater than the effort to go collect some hairs or dust from my apartment when I'm at work. Do you get it now? Practically speaking nothing has changed.
The real risk of the DNA info being available is in criminal databases. They can take crime scene DNA and match people who have not been in criminal booking where DNA was collected. As I'm not inclined toward violent crimes, this doesn't particularly concern me. I do know that such evidence is not enough to convict on its own - the circumstances and other evidence would also have to support the case. The main usefulness to law enforcement is when they have no lead at all - this can let them fix on a possible suspect and target their evidence gathering in that way. Considering how lax our criminal law enforcement is at the judicial level in this era, I'm not at all concerned. Frankly, this should lead to more nigger and spic rapists getting taken off the streets before they can repeat offend.
virge ago
While possible you're right, we clearly disagree on the risks associated with finding out.
Empire_of_the_mind ago
My perspective changed a lot after the Snowden leaks revealed just how extensive the government surveillance infrastructure really was. It was far beyond what any of us paranoids thought and made it clear that "security" and "privacy" were a myth. If someone really wants to target YOU specifically, they can get you. The approach has to change under these circumstances, and it has. Basic opsec is more important and awareness of measures to mess with their data collection are really helpful. Data dragnets create their own problems and opportunities for us to stay off the radar.
DNA technology is inevitable and it's time to get comfortable with it. Huge datasets have been available for quite some time so I expect the truly nefarious have long since done their research regarding targeted bio weapons and such. Focus on the upsides, and the fact that we haven't nuked ourselves yet so probably no one smart enough to have this tech really wants to do that.
DNA proves that people are unequal, and it disproves the primary globohomo propaganda of our time which seeks to distort observable reality and dehumanize us all. I think DNA testing should be a routine medical procedure and would prefer people have the option to secure their data within that same framework, but we're not there just yet. In the meantime, learn about your history and relax - if the bad guys want you they'll get you whether or not you got a $60 dna test that let you know you weren't really a jew.
virge ago
Interesting. Can you give me a thousand foot comparison of before and after? I was pretty convinced of a lot of this prior to Snowden, Snowden was just more fuel to the fire so to speak. Honestly I'm still not really convinced anyone but Snowden knows Snowden's true motivation, regardless of what's been said.
And more options to poison the well, if you're so inclined. My entire post history contains approximately 35% or more content specifically to poison the well.
When the alternative is a fourth touring involving a repeat of the fall of Rome without any of the economic opportunity, you're painting a scary picture of a dystopian future for the next few hundred years if we're legitimately at the beginning of a technological Dark Ages.
But Gattaca. Seriously. That's how you get Gattaca.
Empire_of_the_mind ago
Gattaca is far in the future - CRISPR is what gets us there, and that cat's out of our hands. Fortunately, I suspect it's all much more complicated than people generally think (and early research after Human Genome Project completed confirmed that). Im sure there are plenty of chinese and jew frankenbabies that had to be aborted already after they realized they didn't really know yet how to manage such a complex, interlocking arrangement designed by intelligence far greater than their own. In observable life, there's a tendency for things to balance out. Very pretty people are often limited in other ways, very smart people are often physically weak, very strong people are often very stupid, etc. Consider that this is not a matter of breeding, but rather an inherent part of the puzzle. The way certain features are produced via DNA may well be connected to those flipside features that we all know and recognize. Decoupling them would be quite a challenge. GATTACA, to me, is something that occurs long after I've gratefully departed this world.
Regarding Snowden, he's probably a CIA guy who was unloaded against NSA. They seem to be fighting and burning each other's tools as part of a turf war. The example that really stood out was how they cracked some iPhones. Instead of finding holes in the software and all that, they simply had the orders REDIRECTED to their own Spook Apple store where they fulfilled the actual order, with a nice new real shrink-wrapped iphone, conveniently preinstalled with hardware hacks. Once you realize that the hacker you are working against has that degree of operational ability you have to accept that the arms race is fucking over.
I'm glad you get the data poisoning aspect - that's really the key. The more one understands data science, sampling, and modeling, the more one appreciates just how easy it is to take advantage of the "big data" situation. In many ways, they've weakened their ability to track individuals at the expense of learning about the larger group. My hunch is that this is responsible for some of the chaos we've seen in the past five years, where globhomo has obviously miscalculated and underestimated their opposition.
The 4th turning will come, like the full moon and the tides. In my estimation we won't see war until around 2026 - possibly a little bit later but almost certainly before 2031. With that in mind, I enjoy the calm and peace of the life we have now and make sure to take advantage of what we have available that may not be around forever. Never been to Rome? Go before 2024. And don't raise our kids soft - they'll live in a harder world than most of us grew up in and it's the zoloft-haze confused retards who will die off, not the people raised with some sense.
virge ago
Basically why I spend my time buying guns.
Empire_of_the_mind ago
I second that and recommend acquiring knowledge, books, and archives. The truth and is always an early consequence of war and history is the last consequence.
TheGrandMaster ago
Virge pisses me off but thanks for your write ups