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KoKansei ago

I think it's important to point out here that the statement "observing the electrons to determine which slit they pass through, changes their behavior from dualistic wave/particles to simple particles" is only one possible interpretation of the dual-slit experiment's results. You are neglecting to mention the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, which posits that there is no collapse of the wave-function.

batterist ago

"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real. Niels Bohr"

Scary quote if you think of your double slit example. Probabilistic, fuzzy, unknowable particles make up everything. And to add to that, we're 99.99999% "empty" space.

xeemee ago

"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real. Niels Bohr"

yeah, you try to make sense out all this and you can't ... unless we really are 1's and 0's in the matrix, then some of the very important out of place pieces seem to find a home in the big puzzle

KoKansei ago

The quote above really only applies to the Copenhagen interpretation, which was of course first formulated by Bohr. The problem with this interpretation is that it forces us to consider wavefunctions as some kind of non-physical (non-real) entity which somehow "collapses" to create something physical (real). The many-worlds interpretation is far more elegant on this point since it allows for wavefunctions to exist as actual physical objects. That is, you are not just the product of your collapsed wavefunction, but rather you are in fact the wavefunction itself, moving through a matrix of infinitely branching universes along the arrow of time.

xeemee ago

i'm trying to translate what you've said into something i can understand...

The many-worlds interpretation is far more elegant on this point since it allows for wavefunctions to exist as actual physical objects.

so you're saying that a wave function (which i interpret as energy - non-physical) can become physical? or is not physical, but can be perceived as physical ('physical' being a 'solid' object)?

from what i've managed to grab from quantum science, it seems there is no such thing as a solid, except by the human definition

also, what do you think about the work of Nassim Haramein? one of his basic theories seems to be that there are no 'particles' and that building these accelerators to find the next smaller thing is only going to result in the discovery of ... the next smaller thing - he thinks we should be looking at patterns instead, as in the Mandelbrot thingy, the golden number, geometry, etc.