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Paul or Plato? The True Origins of New Testament Doctrine

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doginventer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:14 am When did Messiah reject Paul?
What leads you to this conclusion other than unsubstantiated suggestions of non believers?
How do you know that this insinuated ‘warning’ by Peter wasn’t added by the Roman scribes?
What if it was actually Barnabas who James was warning about (without actually saying anything either way)?
Move it if you wish. I have not suggested that you should.
I also reserve the right to challenge the destruction of your faith wherever you post it :)

When did Messiah reject Paul?

When is a hard thing to determine. An early warning is in Deuteronomy 13:1-10. If you had watched any of the vids, you'd have seen all the sources.

What leads you to this conclusion other than unsubstantiated suggestions of non believers?

The poor guy that made these two videos is the only 'non-believer' I've posted here. He lost his faith, after discovering the truth. His testimony is heartbreaking. But houses built on sand tend to fall. Right? I might post some things by edomite scholars (rcc&jew), later.

How do you know that this insinuated ‘warning’ by Peter wasn’t added by the Roman scribes?

How much of the Bible those bastards have screwed with is still being discovered, isn't it? As more codices written in other languages are being translated, more gets revealed. If someone would step up and glass rome, we could dig into the tunnels and get answers more quickly. That would be fun.

What if it was actually Barnabas who James was warning about (without actually saying anything either way)?

Barnabas was a disciple, paul wasn't.

Move it if you wish. I have not suggested that you should.

Silly. I thought you might prefer to not have my posts shitting up your sub. And, I never thought for a minute that you would ban me, when I asked you not to. Moving them into v/Archive was the best thing i could think of. I will be posting things there.

I also reserve the right to challenge the destruction of your faith wherever you post it :)

My faith has become stronger, since finding out I'm not alone. I've never had faith in paul, so losing that would be impossible. I could delete the posts, repost them elsewhere, and force you to challenge me all over again. I'm not that mean, mostly. I am considering interrogating you, about paul. I think you deserve it. :PPP

When is a hard thing to determine. An early warning is in Deuteronomy 13:1-10.

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
Deuteronomy 13 KJV

I don’t know of a single instance of Paul committing any of these transgressions, and you apparently are unable to present any details, yet you are willing to condemn him to death.

If you had watched any of the vids, you'd have seen all the sources.

So in Paul’s corner we have a beautifully presented and walked out exposition of scripture endorsed by the disciples, and standing the tests of innumerable scholars and believers for two millennia. And in the accuser’s corner nothing very memorable.

I investigated all the accusations made when Justin Best and others made a splash with them several years ago.
I posted their presentations and many of the refutations and I found that although the accusations against Paul were very extensive and very well presented, that point by point they were insubstantial.
I came to the conclusion that the case was not proved at all.
In the light of this I have paid very careful attention to Paul’s writings whenever I read them since, and have found them to be full of immense value even if, as Peter said, they are not easy going.
My conclusion has been that Paul’s teachings are of such huge value that satan and the cleverest of his minions have slaved hard to construct a brilliantly deceptive case in the hope of discrediting him.

Barnabas was a disciple,

So was Judas.

paul wasn't.

Neither are any of the people making this case

The poor guy that made these two videos is the only 'non-believer' I've posted here. He lost his faith, after discovering the truth.

If it was the truth he discovered then he wouldn’t have lost his faith.

His testimony is heartbreaking. But houses built on sand tend to fall. Right? I might post some things by edomite scholars (rcc&jew), later.

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How much of the Bible those bastards have screwed with is still being discovered, isn't it? As more codices written in other languages are being translated, more gets revealed.

More generalised insinuations without facts.

If someone would step up and glass rome, we could dig into the tunnels and get answers more quickly. That would be fun.

Your faith in Messiah the Son of the Living God sounds very weak.
You would do well to study the scriptures.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
1 Peter 1 KJV